Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-10950063-20131125204106/@comment-24486926-20131127002901

Noothgrush wrote: CalasanX wrote: Noothgrush wrote: CalasanX wrote: Noothgrush wrote: MrDark wrote: I'm 13 too, I see no reason why that would inflict grammar skills, but ok anyway... "why that would inflict grammar skills..."

"inflict grammar skills..."

"inflict..."

Also you notice how I'm using ellipses at the ends of my quotes? That because there's more to the quote that I'm not currently mentioning. Ellipses are not there to replace periods, stop using them as such.

Am I the only one noticing the supreme irony of the grammar in this thread? Excuse me, but are we writing a pasta or commenting on a forum thread?

Also, an ellipses can be used to express awkwardness, speechlessness, etc. That is commonplace, both in dialogue of books and the way people speak in text. Regardless, it doesn't matter, because we're doing the latter: commenting on a forum post, so as long as what is being said is understood it shouldn't be too bad, now should it? That's where you're wrong.

It does matter. This is a site about literature. As such, if you can't even put the effort forth to speak/spell properly on a basic two sentence forum post, how can you be expected to put the effort forth when you're actually writing a story?

It's really not that hard to write properly (or at least make the effort to), therefore you should be expected to always do it. For Christ sake, respect the language, sometimes it's your best tool.

As for ellipses, read this. Just because other people do it, doesn't mean it's ok to do it. We are talking about the proper applications of things here. You seem to forget:

This is a literature site, but that doesn't mean everyone here is a writer. As for the ellipses things, I would never reference anything or use anything as a source that happens to be called "quickanddirtytips.com." Well known book writers have used the ellipses that way. Kurt Vonegan, Stephen King, various others.

Anyhow, some people here read pastas, rather than write. As far as writing properly, no, it isn't hard. But that doesn't mean it should be expected for someone to write a literature article in a forum comment post just because they know how to write.

Besides, if it mattered that much, how come the admins haven't deleted every comment that isn't well-thought out? Commented badly? Fragmented? Uncapitalized?

It may not be hard, but not everyone writes well naturally. On the Spinpasta Wiki (Eeyup, referencing it again) there's an autistic person who can't improve his grammar and spelling that easily. Are you saying that because it is a literature site, we should prevent him from writing, rather than help him along? I think not, because he has a fairly brilliant mind and when his stories are properly corrected, they tend to be along the Quality side of the coin.

tl;dr Just because it's a literature site, doesn't mean that everyone here is a writer and should always write well. I'm not forgetting anything. A lot of the members here are nothing but fans, and that's perfectly alright. But you seem to forget that the English language demands respect, just because you're writing a little snippet doesn't mean you should abuse that. You learn basic English starting in the second grade, usually. It's not so difficult to recall that little lessons and at least try to give not only the tool the respect it deserves but to give the other people in the forum the respect. Yes, it is a subtle form of respect to other people to put the effort into your thoughts to write them down legibly and properly.

Oh, wow. So just because you think a website is disreputable it must be? That website not only gives good advice, but it's been referenced on this site by the admins. Would you prefer I reference Grammarly? Or Strunk and White? Should I cite in MLA or APA? Well, guys looks like the information must be bad because it comes from a website called quick and dirty tips. Sure, Stephen King and Kurt Vonnegut may do it, but does that mean that you should? Check it out, most of these bad writers here that do this still do it wrong, and even more surprising, they aren't King or Vonnegut. My whole annoyance with this is that the people that do this THE MOST, are the people who have no understanding of how to use ellipses properly in the first place. Before you start bending rules, maybe learn what the rules are first.

Now I'm not saying it's life or death here, and obviously if you literally can't improve your grammar, as is the case in this fellow that you mentioned, it's different. But we're not talking about people who have handicaps, obviously. We're talking about people like you or I that have perfectly functioning brains, who know the rules of the language and are perfectly capable of writing and speaking completely properly but simply choose not to. That's not cool.

You must not be familiar with me. I spend a lot of my time on this wiki commenting, editing, improving and giving tips to people on how they could improve their stories and write better. I'm not just some ass that is raising hell on the forum, I actively try to help people with their stories and help them improve.

TL;DR: if you have the ability and knowledge to write in full, basic English you have no excuse not to.

Tell me, you write in grammatically correct, full sentences with wonderful syntax and diction. Is that really so hard for you to do? Do you sit there and contemplate how to speak basic English? No, I don't. I'm also fairly ahead in my class as far as knowledge in language and syntax.

But as well, to be honest, many just don't care. They write down the shortest, laziest thing possible to get the point across.

I used to be the same way as you, correcting people, trying to help. But it stopped mattering because I learned they stopped caring, or they never did.