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HopelessNightOwl wrote: Jdeschene wrote:

HopelessNightOwl wrote: Jdeschene wrote:

HopelessNightOwl wrote: I'll set aside the "dead naming" thing for now (already mentioned it in previous post I just made), but if you consider "misgendering" to be an offense that should be against the rules, what you are basically implying is that a person should not be allowed to refer to a transgender person unless that person is willing to acknowledge the other's identity switch. If you don't believe in transgender identity to begin with, that basically means you are not allowed to refer to that person at all, which is a form of trying to force them to change their opinions. Maybe he shouldn't. You have no say in what another person's identity is. You have the right not to acknowledge whatever you want, but  the other person also has the right not to associate you if you don't accept their reality. It comes down to common courtesy. If someone says they identify a certain way, you're not in a position to tell them they don't. I have no intention of telling someone they don't identify a certain way, nor of forcing anyone to associate with me. That said, they can't force me, Helel, or anyone else to comply with their new identity, all they can do is ask someone not to speak to them anymore, which is a request I would honor, but it still woudln't have any bearing on my right to speak about him or her in third person when they aren't around.

A person on this wiki is free to live according to "their reality", but they can't impose "their reality" on others as reality itself. It's also not a "new identity." It's someone beginning to own and accept themselves for who they've always been. That's why it's called "dead-naming." That's why the associated surgeries are called "gender alignment" instead of the incorrect "sex change." There's a lot you need to learn. Changes account for the third time.

Changes name.

Declares previous name "dead".

That's a new identity. They may not feel that way, and you don't get to decide if they do or don't.