Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24376429-20140317195106/@comment-4832646-20140318041406

ShawnHowellsCP wrote: Noothgrush wrote: That is the issue. Sure, stories are getting turned out but how many people are helping with editing, reviewing, deleting, answering questions, replying to blogs, helping contribute to the forum? Besides that, who cares about the stories getting turned out? Every user and their mom could turn out stories and contribute that way but it doesn't mean anything when it's low quality garbage. And for the record, I see a lot of new users on chat and posting low quality crap.

And for the record, you keep coming out with this rhetoric about how much chat-users contribute. I've surely seen some of the big users contribute, but to throw out a number like 99% is so totally bogus.

I'm not calling into question the integrity of some of the more regular users, I've seen a lot of you editing and getting out there, but let me throw out some hyperbole of my own: over 85% of the chat isn't doing that. I mean, Christ, look at Fatal, he's a nice guy but most of his time was spent on chat. Then he'd edit one or two things.

Every time I've used chat I try to read and edit while I'm on. I get it, that can be distracting, but most of the userbase on chat is just there for chat. They're not contributing by editing, their edit histories can pretty clearly show that off. I spend a vast majority of my time reviewing pastas when I'm online. It doesn't take all that long, it's pretty fucking easy to do it. It's pretty easy to tag for deletion or review too. It's easy to correct some mistakes. It's all really fucking easy, but I get it: it's easier to chat and not do any of that. That unfortunately between two easy paths, the easier one seems to be winning out. And don't try to come back at me saying how much everybody contributes and blah blah blah. It's simply not true. I've lurked on chat and tried to get into chat myself several times, and I'm simply not seeing the effort being put forward.

Again, certainly, I've seen some effort put forth on behalf of some chat users, but the majority of chat users are absolutely not putting forth that effort. And I agree, chat should be an earned privilege. And once again: we need to focus all of our attention on 100% fixing up the site. The most efficient way to do that is via the forums, setting up a game plan, and getting to work. Chat will get in the way of that. And once again: IRC isn't that difficult and in a lot of ways I find it more enjoyable to use. You don't need everyone to edit. It is a wiki, edit at your choice. If they come for the chat, they come for the chat. Another user who one day may edit or make the next Phycosis. Psychosis*

I see Nooth's point here. If a user is distracted in chat, they aren't going to write the next Dogscape. If I want to work on things, I often have to leave chat or idle.

Personally, I think a trial run is a good idea, ' provided the users in chat actually help out. ' Which means, if you can spend nine hours in chat, then you can spend that same nine hours helping the site. It's not "Oh, somebody wants me to help the site so they're disabling chat? Eh, I'll go to Trollpasta or I'll just go read a book or play Halo." I have to admit, hearing that from people who haven't even actually tried to make the effort, yet, at the same time, are trying to predict the site's judgment day irks me.