Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-4833240-20140301051701/@comment-4832646-20140305175034

Xelrog T. Apocalypse wrote: Princess Callie wrote: Xelrog T. Apocalypse wrote: Feeling angry and violent doesn't give you the right to punch whoever's nearby in the face, nor does it give you the right to lash out at others on the internet. Just like a KKK member's "feelings" don't give him the right to participate in many of the acts they participate in.

There is a limit to what you can get away with in the name of self-expression. Harsh criticism is not that limit. If I told someone to go hang themselves because they were a terrible writer, that would be a line crosser. If I told someone that they're a terrible writer, that would be a line crosser. If I call a story someone wrote shit and then tell them why and list how to fix it so it's not shit, that's not. That's criticism. We're not talking about criticism. We're talking about aggressive behavior. Which is also more than "harsh criticism." "This fucking sucks" and "What a piece of crap" are not criticism. They're attacks intentionally made to encite a reaction from people.

This is a lot simpler than we're making it out to be. I'll show you.

You complain about butthurt users. You're sick of dealing with butthurt users replying with butthurt comments and ignoring your critique.

Beginning a review or criticism aggressively makes people defensive and will result in more butthurt responses and the ignoring of the rest of your critique, regardless of its validity.

Therefore, if you don't want to deal with butthurt users, don't provoke their butthurted-ness.

Simple, right?

Once again, this is not coddling. You don't have to be supportive or even nice. You just shouldn't be aggressive and provocative, especially if you're complaining about people reacting negatively to your reviews that start with intentional provocation. You really don't see how ridiculous this sounds?

"Why are people ignoring my critique and getting defensive when I'm going out of my way to insult them so much? I don't get it! I'd better insult harder!" It's not insulting, and I'm far from actually caring about the butthurt responses. I tend to use a lot of sarcasm.

I don't know what it is, but throughout this thread you seem to be trying to point out alot of hypocrisies I don't actually have.

Agressive behaviour  shows that a person is willing to be honest. What irritates me is when clearly done critique is spat into my face as invalid over people saying they believe it should be there as their "belief as the author."

A critic isn't supposed to be nice. They're not your teacher, they're not your mother. They're supposed to rip you down so you can build yourself back up. Being downright insulting is part of the job. But you have to keep in mind that I'm insulting the work, not the author.

Almost every good writer I've seen is like this: They take criticism. Harsh criticism. It's what's called an occupational hazard. To sit there and say that something sucks doesn't invalidate an entire critique. It's when people sit there and refuse the minorest critique when I get irritated.