Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-36052213-20180802015552/@comment-36292647-20180805203143

Resdraon wrote: Llanunall wrote: Resdraon wrote:

Helel ben Shahaar wrote: Discord is currently owned by me and moderated by two more users (one rollback and one common user) but it isn't affiliated with wiki officially. Which means that all discord related issues should be left there, as it's not affiliated with the wiki, and have no real connection to your work as a mod here.

Not to mention on discords, people have the option to block, ignore a user, and even, omg, LEAVE a group!?!

Next, they're gonna want to fire company workers because they said they hate their job at a bar one night.

You ever think about suing for disposition of character? Well, no. As an administrator you are an ambassador for the site and what you say and do will absolutely have an impact on the wiki itself because people will connect you to the wiki. This means that when you are out making a fool of yourself because you never managed to mature past 7th-grade humor or develop a sense of tact you are actively creating opportunities to attack the character of the site and its community. Well, no(Because apparently having a different opinion isn't a thing and we should address others opinions as false instead of saying "I disagree"?). This is a wiki and the discord, while having the same crowd, is not afflicted with the wiki, and therefore he is not an administrator of the wiki at said place. If I go to the mall and get into a fight with a book store clerk, I might be ban from the store, but they don't have the right to stop my next novel from coming out because the two are not connected. I might lose a few book sales if they know who I am, as we will lose a few random users by an admins actions, but because of a simple falling out I do not believe someones effort/hardwork/individuality should be thrown out the door simply because of people not getting along. I find this to be the case simply because, while he may be a mod of said discord, he's not the one bring the stuff to the wiki. You people are, despite the fact most of the poll argument is him joking insulting to a friend, nit picking, or simply telling someone there story is shit. Maybe if half the accusations being thrown around weren't like this, I'd have a different opinion.

If anything, the ones acting like dumb 7th graders are the ones getting so offended yet staying in said discord adding fuel to a very small fire. Simply LEAVE his discord, as it is not affiliated with the wiki and won't be posting edits/updates that you need to know to be part of the community. There are other discords out there, or you have the option of making a poll asking for one ran by selected admins/mods of the wiki(We had one before, but things got toxic like this, people kept bring it to the wiki, etc, aka like this shit)

Simply block him, report him to discord staff, ignore him, or leave his group and start your own. If you're being bullied by someone, you do not seek out the bully. You do not go to the bullies house and call him a fuckwit and expect him to leave you alone on Monday during first period. In other words, you people are crying your brother hit you, even though you hit him back. I thought we all learned by the age of 10 how un-logical that is?

I do understand how him being a jerk on the discord could give users who enjoy creepy pastas and use the wiki,(as the overall theme is the same connecting the said wiki and discord) thoughts about how unprofessional the wiki is, but it's pretty unfair to tell someone they can't be who they want to be offsite in the same community just because on one platform they hold power. You are preaching tolerance and professionalism, yet I've seen none from you people and perhaps doing the mature thing and just ignoring the fool would be for the best. The way this whole poll was brought about is proof of this and frankly, THE WIKI needs to change/update it's policies on these things.

Until he brings it to this site. Unless he's insulting users here to there faces here, deleting stories because he dislikes a user, not doing his job, telling people to flood the wiki with hate from his discord, etc, I do not feel it's right to take away his position as admin based on offsite related problems based on what I've stated in both my post about this.

However, as I said before, his On-site actions(not the jokes between friends and what not) do need to improve a bit, as it's the same for him. He can dislike you  people all he wants, as you do him, but when he's purposely mis-gendering someone on the wiki that's another story. If he was a normal user, it wouldn't be a problem, but as an admin he should know better and HE'S the one that needs to be tolerant here and show professionalism.

Once again, the wiki really does need to change/update the way they go about these, "Demotion of admins", as this whole thread/problem(BOTH SIDES included) is unprofessional, whining, cringy, hypocritical, nit picking, and shows a bunch of false/irlvenet information and needs to be done in a more respectful manner. There are matters of opinion and of fact, this being the latter.

The discord does not, in fact, need to be an official part of the wiki in order for the actions of the administrators to have an effect on the site. As we can see from the Banning scandal unfolding from #CreepyLeaks your actions off-site, especially on discord, can and do have an impact on the reputation of the site. When you, as an administrator, choose to act in a way that is not conductive nor in-line with the wishes or views of the community you inevitably draw criticism of the site back through yourself.

A decent analogy for the situation would be going into a bar and telling others that their gender identity isn't valid, having that uploaded to Facebook with your boss tagged, and then coming into work the next day to find out HR is letting you go.

Sure, you can try to say that it was outside of work and that shouldn't count but when it comes down to it the bosses know that keeping you on board would be seen as a silent affirmation of your actions. Luckily, some of the more decent people in this community can stand up and say that this sort of behavior is inappropriate and something needs to be done. Whether that action manifests itself as a conversation between administrators or a demotion is up to the community as a whole.

The ones acting immature, in my opinion, are the ones who cannot come to terms with the fact that this could be a very large problem that requires something to be done to address it. Whether it be now or a system put in place to do so in the future.

Now, you hit upon something rather important. Should administrators be people who can only behave in-line with the values when they are on the wiki or should we just promote people who naturally embody the values of the wiki in all aspects of their online presence? Personally I think it should be the latter. Admins should not feel they are forced to fit their behavior into guidelines while here because they are only going to run up against conflict because of it. Admins should be people who don't need to be told what is and is not appropriate behavior because it is how they conduct themselves already.

Lastly, how would you go about putting up a petition for demotion in a way that is respectful?