Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-4832646-20140719071615/@comment-5619531-20140720173300

ChaoZStrider wrote: Chat allows people to answer and ask questions and get an instant response to them. However, with the current staff for chat(being the chat moderators) Chat will never get better, as the people who watch over it are a part of the problem. The natural election process tried to fix this but it failed. While some chat moderators do their job amazingly, they do it amazingly but are still shitty mods. Some mods/admins shouldn't have power of chat or even of any people.

Chat can be used to get help on pastas, to collaborate with other writers, to talk with like minded people, or to even just have someone to talk to. Chat is a wonderful and amazing tool that can amazingly if managed and used correctly. Sadly, it isn't managed correctly. I don't think it ever will be managed correctly. But that chat doesn't really do much of anything, really. I've been there since October 2012 - December 2012, maybe back then there were some conduct and order.

But as I returned as a regular user from May - December 2013, it was decent. The only time that there was a big scene was the first temporary shutdown, where I think people from this wiki raided the chat.

January 2014 - Now has just been a shitstorm. And all of the minutes I had spent waiting for one person through February - Early May, I recall maybe 1 - 2 pasta conversations. After that? The same limit. In all my time of being there, I had NEVER once seen someone collaborate on an article, other than me and SG in the pms. Forgotten contests, definitely, but in the main chat? Nooooo.

Hardly anyone asks for help, but if they do, people don't really see the question because it just gets sucked into the ocean of the topic that the chat is on. Some users, like myself, see the question, and actually try to help. Most of the chat users doesn't give a fuck, or doesn't even KNOW what goes on around the site. They blame the admins because "muh chet!" Why, a user didn't want an admin on here to become a bureaucrat because she was afraid that he might get rid of the chat. There is hardly any minded people in the chat, because if people in the chat had some common sense, they would be preventing drama and stopping the sex talk in main, but rather they encourage it.

It's uncontrollable because the users make it uncontrollable. Not the mods. Because certain user's are unstable to be in the chat, and cause most of the issues. When they do get banned, they either say "Fuck it," "lol. Muh beeen," or just cause havoc around the site. Who decided to test Wolfen by saying slurs, and was one of the main shutdowns? A user. Users don't take kindly to ANYTHING. You give them what they want, but they fucking hate it after you allow it, undo it, and they're fucking pissed off that you undid it. The sex talk rule being uplifted? Users who talked about sex agreed on it, and it was allowed. After a few months? Those same users want the rule to be stricter. I didn't like Wolfen being reinstated from his rights. But did I complain about it at all? Not really, maybe in a pm with one user, but not really in the main. Like I said, and repeating myself, it's not the moderating admin/moderators fault. It's the users. Rather than blaming mods, open your eyes and see that it's the users.