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ChaoZStrider wrote: Jdeschene wrote: HopelessNightOwl wrote: Not everyone agrees on what constitutes "discrimination". Helel tolerated you on the server for many weeks despite knowing of your gender identity switch.

If Helel does not consider you to be a girl, you cannot force him to change his mind.

Was he calling you Jimmy before you became transgender? If not and he just started now, I suppose that could be interpreted as trying to get your goat, but he has to call you something and he may not be comfortable calling you a girl's name.

Also, I think it would be more informative if you posted caps of the whole Discord conversation, not just Helel's parts. It's not about changing someone's opinion. That's a distraction from the issue. Discrimination should not be tolerated, regardless of the opinions of either party. People have the right to think and believe whatever they want, but discrimination should have consequences.

Luckily, I think this thread has headed in a positive direction and will ultimately be good for the wiki while allowing Helel to keep his admin position. While I agree with you on both counts, I can't call it discrimination. We have Lokintas word against Helel's and in this thread the only screenshots shown by Lokintas show only what Helel said and not the full conversation. Perhaps Lokintas said something to upset and anger Helel and leaving that part out. If that is the case than it is purposefully making Helel out to be a worse person than he is. I won't call Helel transphobic or suggest he is discriminating without evidence including both sides of the story to make a full assessment. Dead-naming and misgendering someone is absolutely discrimination, regardless of the circumstances. Whether or not he was discriminated against first is unclear, but neither circumstance gives him the right to discriminate in return.