Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24376429-20140317195106/@comment-27007772-20140318011738

Noothgrush wrote: ShawnHowellsCP wrote: Noothgrush wrote: Clayman9 wrote: Noothgrush wrote: All these months that I've been here, sure chat's done some good, but the amount of fuck all that's come out of it far outweighs any good that it's done.

This site needs improvement that goes far beyond chat. Lets take care of the site first, then lets look at chat. As has already been stated, chat gets so much attention paid to it. And it's been changed and modified multiple times even since I've been active here. The main site hasn't been looked at, it's outdated, it's confusing, it needs a ton of work. How much work will actually get done with chat clogging up our attention? Months? I have been here for over 2 years buddy. (yes another account) And the chat has always been a key point of this site whether is it helping or not. If it's so distracting from productivity ignore it. Go do something to help the site and quit complaining about that chat. Let the people that want it have it. That's nice for you, that doesn't somehow make my opinion any less valid than yours. I've been a lurker for at least that much time, I didn't make an account until I posted a story and after that I think my edit history speaks for itself. All I've done has been to help the site but you can't ignore the constant stream of shit that leaks into the forums and blogs from the chat.

Blogs I've seen in just the last month:

Why'd I get banned from chat?

I'm leaving because of something someone did on chat.

I'm leaving because of drama from chat

We should demote X from modship because they're abusing their power

We should re-promote Y to modship despite X bullshit they did in the past that lost their modship

Common Forum Topics:

Proposal to ban X from chat

Proposal to un-ban X from chat

Proposal to reinstate modship

Why can't we say "cunt" or "faggot" on chat? This is gay!

Don't tell me to ignore what's going on in chat when it's constantly boiling over into other sections of the site. Either keep the bullshit contained or don't have a chat. It's a little difficult to ignore and focus on productivity when so much energy is being used specifically to contain the volatility of the chat.

I really feel that as far as community goes, as this conversation has largely shifted in that direction, the forums are our best bet. I spent most of my middle and high school years using forums. I'm still friends with many of the people I met all those years ago. It was easy to keep track of, it can be fast moving, it's easy to moderate and control. And frankly, it's much easier to keep track of.

And come on, guys, have a bit of pride. Stop trying to invalidate people's stances strictly on whether or not they gave up their modship/adminship or based on how long they've been here. What really matters is what you do with your time here. Are you spending it exclusively on chat? Or are you using your time to make this a worthwhile community to go to?

So far this is what I'm getting: mostly chat-rats are opposing because they're addicted to chat. Meanwhile, we have a website starting to go to fucking shambles. We have rules that need editing, we have policies needing put in place, we have clean up needing to be done. It's a sinking ship and you're all staying in the fucking dining room waiting to drown. Chat isn't gonna mean shit if nobody comes to the fucking site anymore. Lets work to make this a respectable community I say once that's done bring back chat.

One month trial. If it doesn't work after 2 weeks, then fuck it, but if it continues to work then lets see exactly how much we can get done. I love frequenting the forums, some of the best discussions I've had on here happen there. Lets focus on making a whole community, not just having it centered in the dark fucking corner that is chat. Those are users who do not know chat rules. You know what the absolute number one complaint on this wiki is?

"WHY DID MY PASTA GET DELETED"

This is atleast 100x more frequent than the chat complaints. Obviously, but we're not talking about that. That's a complaint that gets squashed easily. And you're right, it's lack of knowledge. Definitely. We're in agreement.

But again, we're not talking about that. We're talking about chat spilling into the rest of the site which happens way more than it should and when it does it typically causes a big hubbub. "Why did my pasta get deleted" can be answered in a single post. Most things involving chat end up drawn out for days at a time. More regular users point out bad pastas/ spin pastas on chat than VCROC delete. More users each day share ideas. Each day a new author puts out a good story he had help from chat with. Chat is a piece of the puzzle.