Board Thread:Policy Discussion/@comment-4620507-20130716062550/@comment-11012411-20130716090035

Temmington wrote: Esoteric Entity wrote: Sorry, but the chat is supposed to serve as a place for discussion and there are rules we must abide by in there. What Mr. 414 said was right, we should link the rules of the chat once more for neophytes to this wiki. Leaving a pointless one-liner (that isn't even all that funny to begin with), is only shows two things: puerileity and unfriendliness.

The humor found in it is tasteless at best, and it displays an unwelcomeness to the chat. We are supposed to greet new users with proper etiquette. Reading something as crude as what I have seen just isn't decent. We cannot just assume no one clicks it or doesn't read the rules. If that were the case, we wouldn't have moderators or administrators appointed now, would we.

Once more, please remove those ridiculous sentences and re-insert the chat rules. It would give us a much more respectable image and offer guidance to tyros of the chat. For starters, humor is subjective and can't just be labeled as something defined. Secondly, I think it would really show a more respectable image if we keep the one-liners. It's showing the more random side of chat, and what you should expect from coming here. I think the worst things is when a chat leads false promises and tries to be more mature when it clearly is not. Thirdly, people still won't find the rules link helpful as few people even notice it or let alone actually get the rules from there. They either get it from a mod or just don't even bother to read the rules in the first place. I mean sure, a joke or a one-liner isn't the best but it is better than just having a blank header.

Well, the humor subject can be debated for hours, so I'll just ignore that. However, I see a plethora of logical fallacies with your second point.

First off, the one-liners aren't exactly "respectable". Saying something like, "Yes we have chathacks and no I didn't read your story" is just rude. There isn't an ounce of respect in that. It only gives off the impression that the authority figures on the chat are assholes. Nobody likes an asshole. And just because we are given a scrap more authority on the chat doesn't give us to right to be so.

"It shows the more random side of chat"? Well, see, that's another problem. When a dillettante logs into the chat, they're not expecting a "random side of chat" are they? Logically, they're expecting us to be discussing Creepy Pastas, horror, the macabre, and writing. Instead, they walk into random spam and pointless bullshit. Now, I see what you mean, but fundamentally, that is what we're supposed to be discussing. That was the whole purpose of this place to begin with. That's really not a good excuse. It just sounds bias and inconsiderate.

And, well, in regards to the maturity argument, we were given our authority and have rules in place to maintain order and maturity. To be honest, it's rather silly arguing that we are making "false promises" when it is our duty as mods and administrators to be mature. That's why we were assigned the positions that we have. I'm going to get controversial here, but if you know you can get way out of hand and lose your sense of maturity (which I have seen happen with a few mods, sorry to say), then you're honestly not fit to have special rights on the chat.

And I've seen plenty of people curious about the rules of the chat. And it would be convienient for them to see a link to them on top of the chat. And in addition to that, there should also be a link to how to update the Article Listing. That would make it all the more easier for novices and users who are active on the wiki alike.

I'm not attacking you, I'm just presenting my argument against yours. As a moderator, I have a right to opine on matters like these.