Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-11333115-20131013165852/@comment-24011918-20131015221903

Big time My main points are pretty much what Zy said. Some things would fit with the three kick warning, but we have some stuff that is on a whole other level, and that should be an instaban, or at least have only one kick. And as for these rules instantly being in affect, when was this discussed? All the mods and admins I've spoken to just said you just declared these rules had to be followed. Last time I checked, we weren't a tyranny led and operated solely by on bcrat. Furthermore, I seem to remember when you were but a mod or admin, you were a bit lenient with the rules as well. If I remember correctly, you and a few others never bothered to enforce some rules, like the caps rules, but now you have top rank you Will make these rules but yourself, with no discussion to anybody, not even Cleric, and expect us to follow them? Jeez, what happened to being fair?

And as for making it a more free place? That's bullshit in my opinion. Right when you enter you see a sign linking the chat rules, and they right now really aren't too strict, just on't be an asshole and you'll be fine, essentially. Now, if a new member broke some minor rules, I can understand, and I could see some instabans becoming just kicks if it's a new user, but this three kick thing is bullshit. They'll break rules until just before they would be banned, and stop. I've seen it happen countless times. They just like to push out buttons. So this "making it more free" shit is stupid. Again, as long as they don't do stupid shit and follow our rules, they have nothing to worry about.

Finally, if this problem is about mods abusing powers, why not just talk to them directly instead of making stupid rules that won't improve chat at all. If you can make them understand, then problem solved. If they show no hope of improving, demod them for a while, or until they earn their chance back. Problem solved.