Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24898085-20140603131329/@comment-731871-20140605191203

Zyraииe wrote: Scorch933 wrote: The problem is knowing when to draw the line. When you initiate this rule, you are agreeing to allow moderators and admins to moderate to the fullest extent and punish the slightest comment. That is the only way to draw the line, and a line has to be drawn, otherwise One moderator might ban somebody for talking about it lightly and hypothetically, and one moderator might *not* ban somebody for talking about "Cactus Dildoes up someone's..." or some heavy discussion.

Because generally, that is what happens when rules are set in place. Moderators and admins decide based on their own discretion what actions to take. That's not their fault, because it's impossible to know the actions somebody else is taking unless a line is drawn.

So if you are for full removal of any sexual discussion, no matter how light or heavy, how slight it might even *relate* to sexuality, then support. If you are for Moderators and Admins banning based on relative discretion, and MORE users complaining about the unfairness of the situation, which results in more disputes between users and moderators (which damages leadership), then support. I'm not going to call out anybody who talks heavily like that, because even *I* am prone to making the occasional innuendo or joke. I will not deny that for a minute, BUT I know MANY of you will naturally make said kind of jokes, which the moderators will obviously crackdown on. It will be a repeating cycle.

Honestly, with the removal, heavy subject matter usually gets ended rather quickly with a swift ban or kick. When there is heavy discussion and it is not dealt with, that's generally irresponsibility.

If you're saying we can't rely on mods to know what is Heavy subject matter, and what is the occasional joke, and how to deal with it, then you can't expect mods to deal with it to any new standard. There will always be some mistake that people will complain about. You do make some valid points. However, the issue lies in the fact that since the rule was removed, mods and admins haven't done much to stop some *heavy* sexual discussion. Some even join in, which extends the discussion even more so, sometimes going on for a prolonged, and excessive amount of time. Then I see new users saying "I didn't come here to talk about sex" and they leave with a disappointing experience of the chat. The only people with rights I've seen taking action are Maria and Fatal. THAT'S IT! it's unacceptable. The issue is mainly to do with the moderators not stepping in, which is what motivated me to propose this in the first place. If they were doing what they should of been doing, instead of joining in, I might have left it how it is. The rule I propose is not a total ban of sex talk, but one that prohibits going into excessive detail or allowing the discussion to go on for a prolonged amount of time. That appears not to be a problem with the rule,

But more with the administration and upholding OF the rule. You are offering the wrong solution to an apparent problem: Chat Moderators not doing their jobs.

you are missing the point. You can't draw a line in the middle, if you want moderators and admins to have a standard to follow the rules. BUT EVEN WITH STANDARDS SET, There is ALWAYS somebody slipping.