Board Thread:Administration/@comment-4832646-20140318213355/@comment-24460632-20140327170124

Pramirez351 wrote: CreepyMorefedora wrote:

If you think chat is damaging the site in itself, it's really only damaging the twenty or so people that go on this site for the chat itself. I still see hundreds and hundreds of new stories pass through each day.

If you think shutting down chat for a week will boost editing and use of the forums well to be honeset, no not at all.

If you haven't noticed, this site is pretty damn popular I mean REALLY popular. I don't understand why you think this site needs more activity.I do both of my fair share of editing on this site and spend a good deal in chat. If you think forums are a good substitute for chat, yeah no... Ok broski, listen up a bit. Chat isn't damaging just people. Its forcing the admins to spend time with matters that they should not be concerned with (which is keeping chat under control).

I don't know if you pay attention to the big number saying how many pastas are on the wiki, but if anything, its going down. That's because we have a barrage of bad creepypastas that the admins have to deal with. From your contributions, I see that you have 230 edits. Did you know that only 10 of those edits are on creepypastas? This means that out of 12000, all you have helped with is 10 of them. Imagine how much each admin has to deal with per day. I would think they get 10 creepypastas done in an hour.

Again, this is less about getting users to edit, and more about getting site policies updated. Users focusing back into editing is just a positive externality we encourage. We also know that people in chat know how to edit. If they were to help out, they would exert a tremendous impact on good editing and get the main site on its feet.

Also yes. We ALL know that you can't force people to edit. That was part of the explanation on the very top.

CreepyMorefedora wrote: What I am trying to say is, shutting down chat would really be pointless. You people complain and complain about the drama in chat but, that's only affecting maybe 40-50 people. If chat was that bad, there wouldn't be anyone in there but Ta-dah! People are still in there. Eh. I figure its kind of like people that get arrested a second time after they get out of jail. Why would they do something bad after they get out of jail? Because they live that way. Why would someone come back to a deleterious chat? Because they like that lifestyle. Also, just saying, 40-50 people are the ones on chat right now. There are countless people you don't see that have left because of chat drama. Many a time I've seen it. Anyways, this is not for the shutdown of drama, but more to organize the wiki.

CreepyMorefedora wrote: You people say this site has gone to shit because of chat well, it's still one of the busiest wikis I have ever seen. Trust me man, If you pay attention to the newsfeed, you will see that its mostly admins that edit. Yeah, its a busy website, but only because there are busy admins. I am cognizant that there are numerous sources of edits, but understand that this is a community project. 5 admins are not a community.

CreepyMorefedora wrote: All said and done, I think this is a waste of time and fucking energy. If you really want more people to edit, give them a good reason to edit. People edit because they like to edit not because "Oh, since they don't have chat, they will HAVE to edit now mwahaha!". No, it doesn't work like that. Again, not the main argument. We want the site as a whole to be better, but we need a certain peace of mind that chat isn't there to make more turbulent kerfuffles. Again, this is temporary. It won't kill anyone. Okay, with your begining rebuttal, you say that chat is forcing admin activity when they should eitherwise be out editing on the site. I believe that is their decision, if they don't have any trust in their chat mods, then don't blame chat itself if their taking their oh so precious time off of the site. We have chat mods for a reason so, I guess that's pointless now since you seem to say that chat cannot be controlled by the mods then, that's an entirely different argument which is entirely irrelevent to the following subject at hand. It is not an admins job to monitor chat and it shouldn't be that's why we have mods.

I don't know if you haven't noticed this as well but, what kind of wiki is this? Yes, it is a creepypasta wiki and it also happens to be near the end of March coming in to April trust me, once it comes time near September through November, this site will be incredibly busy.

So, having a barrage of bad creepypastas are soley because of chat? No, that's just having a barrage of bad creepypastas the end.

I don't know how you came up with only 10 edits towards Creepypastas hmm that seems a bit odd. Just by looking at my badges, I have at least over 50 edits towards Creepypastas/articles which means, I have over 10. Most of my "edits" (which is actually 10 not 229) come from commenting on pastas and/or blogs. I rarely ever use the forums but, I think I've commented there about 7 or 10 times.

I comment on pastas because I want to do something that will actually HELP the author. I provide constructive critisim, I applaud them for having great potential for pastas, and I encourage them to continue writing. I find that far more productive than "Didn't meet our Quality Standards". Even for trollpastas, I also do my part. I mark it as "Delete Now" and an admin usually deletes about 2 min. later. So, you're whole argument on how "Admins are always bombarrded by bad pastas" is a bit exaggerated because, the users do help the admins out. Yet again, NOT a chat issue.

You seem to be stating that this argument is not about getting users to edit however, that entire paragraph you stated before, is invalid then because that whole entire paragraph was about how much admins have to edit. How is that chats fault? The only argument you made is that "Admins are having to spend time on chat".

If this whole thing is for "Site policy updates" then why must you shut down chat then? Again, if your only argument is going to be "Admins are having to spend time on chat", then this whole thing is a bunch or horse shit.

If people have left because of chat drama, then that's because of chat drama not because the admins supposedly "Can't get anything done because chat just takes all of their fucking time". So that whole jail analogy, was just a waste of energy.

Okay, if the newsfeed is just cluttered with admins editing, then why do you have to shut down chat if admins are editing then? Chat has absolutely nothing to do with this entire argument. It's just people trying to find a good enough excuse to shut down chat. It doesn't matter if it's temporary; and just because it is, it doesn't make it right.