Board Thread:Administration/@comment-4832646-20140318213355/@comment-24077689-20140327184816

Xelrog T. Apocalypse wrote: Noothgrush wrote: Xelrog T. Apocalypse wrote: Pramirez351 wrote: Also yes. We ALL know that you can't force people to edit. That was part of the explanation on the very top. (I don't think you do, because that's exactly what's being attempted here.) OK, Xel. Drop it. You keep saying that, but nearly every active support in this thread keeps telling you that's not our main concern. If anything it's a bonus.

That is NOT what's being attempted, the whole point isn't specifically to force people to edit. Obviously that's asinine. The main concern is getting people to actually participate in the community, namely our main site needs a huge fucking overhaul. We can't get that done with chat occupying everybody's time and attention. I keep saying it because it's absolutely true. And I get that the whole point isn't to force people to edit. That's a complementary goal you're trying to meet, and it's still completely and totally unrelated to the chat mod position. Chat doesn't occupy everybody's time and attention. I've never even BEEN on the chat. Not one time. From word in this thread, there are maybe 20 people on there at a given moment. The chat is already a secondary element of the site. There's no threat of it taking over and usurping attention from the main site, so cool down there.

And if you're going to argue about what the people in the thread think, maybe you should make note of the post just below yours. Four kudos.

The one below THAT makes an equally valid point. People are going to be editing just to meet that requirement and then never edit again. THAT is only going to encourage people to inflate their edit count... once again, for something that is ABSOLUTELY UNRELATED TO THE JOB BEING ADDRESSED. Chat's issues, drama, rules, etc. etc. are constantly overflowing onto the main site. The chat moderators are doing their jobs in chat but that still doesn't stop all this distracting bullshit from happening. All the time. Constant blog posts, constant forum posts, proposals for this and that. All regarding chat. If they can absolutely keep it off the main site, then fine. I don't care. But the fact is, admin are having to spend time observing the goings-on in chat.

I only supported the base edit count as a way to encourage more of a community feeling. That way it's not immediately to the chat. My thought was that if we set a base edit count, which can be inflated with comments, forum posts, etc. it will get new users to consider the main site as an area that they can also communicate, gain friends, etc. A lot of the arguments in this thread have been because chat is great for socializing. The chat is its own little community, we need to build up the main community.

I like this place a lot, I love the forums, I love blogs, all that. Chat can be really overwhelming and for a lot of new users and users such as myself who don't use chat a whole lot it can be a bit difficult to break into that community.

Also, both of those do bring up good points but they're also opposing comments. Specifically, I was talking about people supporting this. I said "active support". Nearly every supporter of this has outright claimed that bolstering edits by shutting down chat A) wouldn't work, we can't force anybody to do anything and B) it would at most be an added bonus. The main concern that I have is building up the main site's community base, less of a feeling of outright hostility all the time. More welcoming to users.