Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-5619531-20140720181430

Howdy y'all. Possibly introducing something relatively new to this wiki. It's not a "Proposal for a chat shutdown", I'm going to give you guys two options relating to this issue (and the agreements that this chat has by these two threads), and you vote whether or whether not you believe the chat should stay shut down till August 30th, or let it stay shut down for good.

Here we go:

Option A: The chat should stay shut down for good. According to Thread:346972, I will do a list of what users suggested in this section:
 * 1) It will detract new users from staying only for the chatroom.
 * 2) Given that most of the frequenters have migrated to Trollpasta, they may not adjust easily to the stricter rules here.
 * 3) Less drama that migrates from the chat onto the site.
 * 4) Admins can actually do their work, rather than paying attention to chat needs.
 * 5) (For users that care about helping, but can't) Get users to be on the site.
 * 6) No more bad users on the chat, who actually cause most of the issues on the chat.
 * 7) No more "lazy mods".
 * 8) Chat users only come on for the chat.
 * 9) Chat users don't like the site, account for less than 1% of visitors, but chat issues are given the most attention and have to be dealt with more frequently than anything else.
 * 10) It's become clear that finding a suitable number of capable moderators is almost impossible.
 * 11) Spinpasta and Trollpasta chats are available for the rare times when instant communication is needed, and there are other places to chat.
 * 12) Forums and talk pages can be used to ask question. It might take longer, but users won't have to listen to people talking about dicks while they try to get answers.
 * 13) Without chat, there is one less outlet for people to perv on young girls, extoll why cutting yourself is great or say anything that might lead to the harm of themselves or someone else
 * 14) No more social drama. Nobody getting upset because no one pays attention to them in chat or they're not liked. No more fallout from internet relationships effecting anybody.
 * 15) People end up being rude there (most).
 * 16) Chat mods take a while to help (usually).
 * 17) Lots of sex talk.
 * 18) NO ONE IS EVER HAPPY WITH THE WAY ANYTHING IS HANDLED IN REGARD TO CHAT EVER.

And that is a big list, for that little thread that was created only two days ago. I didn't include all of what users had said in this, but it's most of it.

Option B: The chat should stay down until August 30th. There isn't really a lot of things that users have talked about in Thread:346977, mostly people thinking that it's a support thread. But there is one argument to this that I will include, even though it did get countered by me and Guy.

''Chat allows people to answer and ask questions and get an instant response to them. However, with the current staff for chat(being the chat moderators) Chat will never get better, as the people who watch over it are a part of the problem. The natural election process tried to fix this but it failed. While some chat moderators do their job amazingly, they do it amazingly but are still shitty mods. Some mods/admins shouldn't have power of chat or even of any people.''

''Chat can be used to get help on pastas, to collaborate with other writers, to talk with like minded people, or to even just have someone to talk to. Chat is a wonderful and amazing tool that can amazingly if managed and used correctly. Sadly, it isn't managed correctly. I don't think it ever will be managed correctly.''

And, with the fact that I saw Skelly's rough draft on the chat rules, if the chat does re-open, it will experience some heavier rules that users that if users are stretching the limit, but not overstepping the boundaries of getting banned, it will have no tolerance for such actions.

To start off the vote, like I usually do when I create these threads, I vote for Option A. Because of the reasons above. 