Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24841494-20140310144847/@comment-24841494-20140319145931

GraydonL wrote: Princess Callie wrote: GraydonL wrote:

Princess Callie wrote:

GraydonL wrote:

Princess Callie wrote:

GraydonL wrote:

Princess Callie wrote:

GraydonL wrote:

Princess Callie wrote: For Christ's sake. We may not have allowed OC in the first place but I would sooner have it now than have to delete every new page that comes up. A rant is a rant, and a user wouldn't spend their time going "Hey, Ok, I'll post it here, and hope it gets uploaded to CP! After all, I can wait the several possible weeks for someone to like my story, and then a dozen hundred more to vote it in!"

No. They're going to rant, then abandon the site. On top of that, if you're going to do this kind of thing, I think it would be appropriate to apply it to the entire network. And I'm not about to abandon the concept of OC at Spinpasta.

The simple fact is, it's not necessary, and users already don't understand half of the protocol we have here. They aren't about to do something like this by any stretch of the imagination.

Not to mention there wouldn't be a use for half the admins we have here. Which, in terms of activity, is around 6 or less. The fact is, doing this kind of thing, yes, would cause more work for the administrators in the transition, then having them sit around and do nothing. That is, if they don't leave during the transition because the wiki becomes  more  stressful and  less  fun, with the overall future being boring.

But, again, it's not just about the stress on the administrators. It's the stress on the users in general. So, still,. That is the thing with all major changes. It would be incredibly stressful, yes, but maybe we could organize a time ahead of time, where we temporaryly use chat to help set this up? As for deleting new pages, yes that will happen. A preventive measure would be talk page and editor measures warning users ahead of time before they post. This would not happen over night, but it could save everyone time and stress if this works as planned. If we proporly orginize this and set up a good foundation, as well as having regular users help (by ASKING and PLANNING this, instead of just shutting down chat and saying help) then the tranistion would be easy. One, either way, you're proposing something that turns this wiki into something effectively useless. And what you want an entire wiki spent on, Skelly has accomplished in a single board on the forums. There's no point. What would be done here by the thousands of users other than read when all the true editing on the 1-30 stories a week is done by the 4-20 people who know about this wiki you propose we use?

Let's keep our network into the three wikis it has and the old staff wiki that I'm going to clean up and restore in a bit. Well, the point was if this would pass, Chaospasta would become the offical OC site, grow and have a more dedicated user base, while CP gets the quality it strives for and lessens the load on admins by removing deletions and grammar and spelling editing, so they can focus on issues like chat. Also, I made this post before the creation of Writer's workshop. It would not make this wiki useless, either. There would still be a steady flow of OC from CHPW, as well as non OC from other sites, like reddit and creepypasta.com. Not to mention, the several thousand stories already uploaded. All this will do is slow down uploads, and make so those uploads are better and worthwhile overall, with the additional bonus of an entire site dedicated to improving CPs. Why sit there and stop the output of OC, when using the board, we can increase the quality of whoever posts? I tend to give criticism when asked about deleted pastas or doing DA as well. I'm even planning on taking a venture through the board and start criticizing. I get that. The thing is, not everyone posts on Writer's workshop. I really like what you do, in fact your critisims of even this propasal has made it so I could improve it ten times over. However, I don't think you understand. This does NOT limit OC, it just moves it another less strict location, where if it is well recived, then it can be uploaded here, instead, where people can come to read quality stories. This does NOT prevent OC, in fact, it actually means more, because none are deleted. However critisim is just as strict. Again, thank you for your critisims. I do understand. But let's look at another thing; how you propose they get moved from that site to this one. It's basically the PotM, only with more than a display on the home page. If there's one thing I dislike about PotM: It's the fact it's more a popularity contest than a way to actually determine quality work.

Even you say "ONLY QUALITY WORK." the Quality portion in most people's mind is subjective. It's objectivity is failed to be taken into any consideration. I still think, though, that the forum would serve the full purpose. First things first, it needs to be measured objectivly, grammar/spelling/content. Then, story wise, that is where the nominations come in. People nominate their favorite stories. Then, finally, a "Nomination Reviewer" comes in read reads the nominations and decides if it is good enough for main site. There will be 4-5 Noms at any given time. So, no. It will not be a "popularity contest" as objectiveness comes first, then the subjective "This is good" comes in. You keep bringing up that people will nominate bad stories, but anyone who does will most likely be punished in some way. You honestly have very little faith in the community. Do you really think everyone is that immature? (Yes I know everyone is immature, but I mean people are at least mature when it comes to reading CPs)

EDIT: From what I have seen, most PoTM noms are really good. I have yet to see a bad one there, TBH. >Everyone is that immature

Not persay, but I've dealt with enough Sonic fanboys and Jeff fangirls to know that to most, popularity directly equals quality. This isn't true. And yes, I have seen crappy pastas nominated for PotM. On top of that, you can't punish for the nomination of bad stories. It's an unfair block and there aren't many other ways to punish users. Hmm, I will think about it some more.

EDIT: If I find a way to counteract that, would you change to at least ? Okay, I have an idea now. It will be on a warning system. First time, the nomination is unnominated, and a message is left on their talk page. Second time, It is unnominated and the user receives a second warning, and final warning. The final time the user gets a block. Not sure for how long yet, though. Lemme know what you think. I was thinking to a similar system to how re-uploading deleted stories work. Hopefully this will help prevent it, but there are no guarantees with any system.