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Xelrog T. Apocalypse wrote: Princess Callie wrote: Are you trying to imply that Guy and I have no idea what we're talking about? What I gave right there was actually a critique. I may have swore, but not only did I point out what was wrong, I listed how to fix it.

As I've pointed out, and Guy has pointed out, as long as a review isn't "-10090399404843487923742873409287/10 THIS SUCKED BALLS GO KILL YOURSELF!", but points at the problem and lists how to fix it, it can be a constructive criticism.

On top of that, that particualar criticism, when used, would be used when a person put either 1. Literally NO effort into the work at all, whatsoever or 2. So little effort that the criticism is well deserved. Oftentimes, it's not.

It's not that hard to write. All this site requires is that you know the basics of storytelling and how to spell and use correct grammar. When you put up a story in the public eye, expect it to ripped apart if you've not put the effort required into it. For heaven's sake, you're acting as though we SHOULD moddy-coddle every new author who comes here. You're still clearly missing the point. And since you seem to be fixated on the idea that the problem with your argument is that I or anyone else have some issue with "swearing,"

Fuck shit ass nigger bitch cunt cock.

All better?

Now, as I was saying. The problem with what you have up there is--repeating myself here--that it is AGGRESSIVE. It is written as an attack on the writer. I understand where you're coming from. I do. When someone obviously puts no effort into a piece and is just posting it to troll, you feel like they deserve whatever attack you dish out to them. What I'm saying is that this action will not accomplish anything positive. It WON'T make them a better writer, and if they're really trolling, they'll just get their rocks off on your reaction. The kinds of articles you're referring to don't belong on this site at all. Troll submissions need to be reported and deleted, pure and simple. Agressive flame-bait won't help the situation in any way, shape, or form. Even if it's writing-specific aggressive flame-bait.

I thought I made it clear that I was not a proponent of moddle-coddling in my previous post, but apparently I did not. The key word was "neutral." Once again, "neutral."

Don't be a patronizing jackass who's always giving everyone "A for effort!"s with litte star stickers by their name. That's being an asshole.

Don't be an aggressive douchebag who's always lashing out at things you dislike and intentionally trying to make the reader defensive. That's being an asshole.

Don't be an asshole. No, what I'm trying to say is that a criticism doesn't have to be "professional" and "nice" to be constructive. Being neutral isn't being critical. And I was not pointing to troll posts. I was pointing to things like this. See that? That is a genuinely bad pasta with almost no effort put into it. It barely had a plot, the grammar is out right terrible, and it has a number of clichés.

Is that a criticizable pasta with "This could use improvement." or "This was crap. You can do better. X was bad, but do Y to fix it."?

It has nothing to do with being an asshole. It has to do with getting the point across.