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HopelessNightOwl wrote: Jdeschene wrote:

HopelessNightOwl wrote: Jdeschene wrote:

HopelessNightOwl wrote: I'll set aside the "dead naming" thing for now (already mentioned it in previous post I just made), but if you consider "misgendering" to be an offense that should be against the rules, what you are basically implying is that a person should not be allowed to refer to a transgender person unless that person is willing to acknowledge the other's identity switch. If you don't believe in transgender identity to begin with, that basically means you are not allowed to refer to that person at all, which is a form of trying to force them to change their opinions. Maybe he shouldn't. You have no say in what another person's identity is. You have the right not to acknowledge whatever you want, but  the other person also has the right not to associate you if you don't accept their reality. It comes down to common courtesy. If someone says they identify a certain way, you're not in a position to tell them they don't. I have no intention of telling someone they don't identify a certain way, nor of forcing anyone to associate with me. That said, they can't force me, Helel, or anyone else to comply with their new identity, all they can do is ask someone not to speak to them anymore, which is a request I would honor, but it still woudln't have any bearing on my right to speak about him or her in third person when they aren't around.

A person on this wiki is free to live according to "their reality", but they can't impose "their reality" on others as reality itself. But they and anyone else who accepts their reality have the right to correct you or refuse to associate you if you continue to intentionally get it wrong. There is literally no reason other than spite and pettiness for you not to adapt to how someone views themselves. It's not for you to decide who anyone is but yourself. They are free to "correct" and refuse to associate with me all they want. What they are not free to do is attempt to impose their views on me through disciplinary actions.

When it comes to a transgender individual, people are free to accept "their reality", but I am still free to accept actual reality. Well, actual reality is that some people are transgender. You can deny reality all you want and throw a hissy fit and act like a child because the world doesn't work the way you want it to. That's your choice. All choices come with consequences. When you make the choice, you accept the consequences.