Board Thread:Chat Discussion/@comment-4883034-20141027162128/@comment-25393922-20141029194412

Mystreve wrote:

Steam Phoenix wrote:

Mystreve wrote: Not sure about this. It just seems like another tiny implosion, waiting to happen, in an already shaky house of cards. I thought the admins/crats were trusted members of the community. Weren't we all voted in as such? Anyhow, while I was reading this, an idea popped into my head. Hear me out.

We allow demotion threads again. Only with a limited scope.

The main part here is that the person starting the thread needs irrefutable proof that the mod in question needs to have the rights removed. No drama. No idiotic story behind the thread. Just a summary, along with the main reason, and proof. Multiple screenshots over several instances/time-spans is a great way to gather evidence to start the thread. This allows us to isolate anomalous incidents from the ones that really matter to make our decision for a demotion. To expound on this, other users could be encouraged to present damning evidence (i.e. their own screenshots) along with their support/oppose vote. Otherwise, no proof? Go away.

Another parameter is that the person in question cannot reply in the demotion thread (or their right is instantly stripped) and people cannot leave remarks on the way people vote, their reasoning, and so forth. I thought about why those demotion threads sucked so hard when we allowed them, and the drama gave birth to drama with people leaving replies, etc etc. The mod in question would then continue to fan the flames; it was enough to make one want to start taking out hostages.

Anyway, sorry if I may have pissed on your picnic blanket here, Kill; just trying to figure out different angles. 1 Project:Demotion Policy. This was already a community voted thing. Not allowing them? When did that happen?

2. "Another parameter is that the person in question cannot reply in the demotion thread." I hate to be the crier of unfairness, but if you're going to have someone demoted via thread, they have the right to defend themselves. Say the person providing the screencaps used "Inspect Element"? Or just took a cap of an incident intentionally out of context? Why should someone who gets a demotion thread be deprived of the ability to counter said "irrefutable proof"? Just a small pointer. I'm all ears for your better ideas, Callie. Honestly, I'd be content with this council idea if it could be ensured that the members found were really not biased and this idea didn't have the capability of easily blowing back up in our faces.

But, to be honest. Put an idea in play and demote the mods, the mods who get demoted will complain. Don't put an idea in, users will complain about bad mods. Put the idea in play, and eventually it won't matter - the mods we do select will eventually be singled out as "bad mods" by some user or another for some particular reason. If there was a way to break the cycle of complaining and drama, I'd be all for it.