Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-5590118-20150104162634/@comment-24881871-20150109220736

Steam Phoenix wrote: 1. I fail to see where those two arguments conflict. Honestly, admins need to have the better majority of the work - we are the leaders of the community. But this seems like we are trying to put responsibilities onto another group whilst almost shirking our own. How hard is it to make a site proposal, update the rules, make a few deletions, and appeal a couple of deletions when someone doesn't see a problem? It's not that difficult. 2. I never said you did. But as Deletion Appeal is oftentimes taken care of, we aren't exactly spending alot of time doing other things. I may have misunderstood your argument, I will admit. Here's the thing, though: responsibilities compile with rights. As admins, it's our job to take care of the site and improve it - that is the best thing we can do. Rollbacks should be on the look for vandalism, but I don't see them being the ones to block the vandals, which therefore means admins should also keep an eye out. 3. What I'm getting at there is that part of the reason VCROC exists is to see who could be admin. The role itself exists namely for site clean-up - which, imo, is a job for an admin. I'm simply trying to point out that said reason isn't really accurate. On that note, without the VCROC, it would take more care to select administrators because of how big a step it is up - would you have made Simba or Nommeh admins when they were only rollbacks? I wouldn't. But we made them VCROC, which, when you look at it, is pretty well the same thing. As far as the bottom goes, I can't remember how long ago your app was, nor do I care to look. I know it wasn't that long ago, but since then, I've been thinking about these things, and I've changed alot of what I think about. I would probably oppose any VCROC app for a person who I don't think would be fit for admin nowadays because of how little difference there is between the two. Do I see the future? No, but I can take a good guess on how well someone can do even when they don't have the right. And I do admit, I was wrong when I opposed your app - you've done a good job so far, and you should keep that up.

I could write another response that would bloat this thread even further, but this is a fruitless exercise. You haven't really countered anything I said; all you've done is repeat yourself. Besides, you've already demonstrated just how far you'll go to get what you want. I mean, you underhandedly sent a message to Wikia Staff to remove a user group without notifying all the administrators first. That alone speaks volumes. I'm done with this conversation.