Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-4832646-20140719071615/@comment-10950063-20140722121140

Seriously, Willow? Are you kidding?

WiIlow wrote:

Users, yes, chat has some shitty subjects, but all of you have brought one up at some time or another, so none have a right to complain.

So, no one has a right to complain about the content in chat, because at ONE TIME OR ANOTHER everyone has participated? You know what I never thought I had to explain? It's frequency. Make dumb, immature joke, sure. Who gives a shit? It doesn't kill anybody. When it keeps happening over and over and over and over and over again. . .that's different. Gramm and Dinkleberg commented recently that our rules feel like they're made for 60-year-olds (Dinkleberg said it, Gramm supported, just in case anyone wants to split hairs).

That's not true. They're made for 12-year-olds who can't stop giggling at oh-so-naughty things or thinking they're cool because they talk about jerking off on the internet. It's when people don't stop and everybody's doing it that it becomes a problem. That's how it gets ruined for everybody.

But the admins have no right to complain or try to control it.

WiIlow wrote:

Also, to the admins again, you say your time is taken up by managing chat and chat related issues, right? Know what a simple answer to that is? Close the damn tab and quit complaining. It is up to you to do your job, don't blame chat for "diverting" you from it. Chat related bitch-fit threads? Close them, job done.

You understand that for admins and 'crats, the job is site administration, right? Chat is a part of the site. It generates so many problems that it requires attention. Sure, we could close every chat related thread, but then nothing gets solved, does it. You know what would happen?

People would say that admins are corrupt and lazy because all they do is shut down chat threads. They'll say that chat is so bad because admins don't do anything about it.

And you know what? It wouldn't be a job done. it would be a job ignored and it would make everybody angrier.

WiIlow wrote:

If you keep saying chat is a bad thing for this site, IT WILL ALWAYS BE A BAD THING, BECAUSE YOU MAKE IT A BAD THING.

The admins make chat bad. It's ALWAYS the admins' fault. Just ONCE I would love to see a chat user take some responsibility.

Users choose the mods. Users demote the mods. We let users vote on rules. A user proposed the natural election. Users supported the natural election. Users make the chat what it is.

But it's still our fault. Because we say it's bad. It's not bad because it is, of course, we just have to change the word and then it will be good. Sort of like if we stop calling them spiders and start calling them swans then people will stop being afraid of spiders.

But explain to me how this whole notion works. Beyond the power of positive thinking. I legitimately want to know.

Here's what I really don't get. Admins view chat negatively. In my mind, that should make chat better, because everyone that loves chat should think, "This isn't good. Chat could get shut down. Maybe we should try to act better."

Why do we have to pretend chat doesn't have problems? Why don't you guys fix it? You sure as hell don't want admins coming in and trying to do that, because means rules and demotions. So, why didn't you ever do it yourselves? Why didn't you ever grow up and try to take care of the things you enjoyed so much?

If we stop saying it's bad, it's still bad. It doesn't magically get better.