Board Thread:General Wiki Discussion/@comment-24376429-20140412002355/@comment-5619531-20140412174317

The Bitter Cold wrote: Lil' Miss Rarity wrote: Agner sits in chat and constantly says things such as "faggot nigger" and "dumb cunts" and the other admins pay him no mind. There are also users that the admins/chat mods favour and therefore will not punish. An example of this is the Pramirez incident as well as a few more that I dare not name right now for the sake of keeping the forums free of that kind of drama. Ignoring how laughable it is to ban people for saying words like "faggot" and "cunt," this favoritism you speak of is exclusive to a few individuals whose names keep appearing every time the topic is discussed. The solution is to deal with the people causing trouble, not shut down the entire chat. If the belligerents include people who are moderators or even administrators, so be it. Throwing a blanket over the chat and saying "everything under this blanket is bad" isn't helpful in the slightest.

Lil' Miss Rarity wrote: The positive effects are as follows: 1) I have never seen the chat launch an invasion against the site, writing "U SUCK SHIT" on their talk pages and vandalizing articles. Now, if you're talking about newbies coming in the chat, we usually greet and welcome them to the site.
 * Our reputation improves due to the chat users not invading/out right bullying each other/new users.
 * Our forums aren't filled with these trashy demotion threads because the chat mods are clearly not doing their jobs.
 * No more long "legal" fights with bcrats and admins over how this ban was unfair or how it wasn't short enough.
 * The site gets rid of a whole bunch of users that do nothing but fight and bicker at the wikis expense.

2) The latest demotion thread was for Kill1mes, who wasn't fulfilling his duties as an administrator.

3) Whether it be a ban or a block, there's always going to be some person who does that.

4) Once again, you're blaming an entire community for the actions of a few.
 * 1) There have been some users who have been mean to new users, jokingly or not. (agreeing with Maria)
 * 2) Other than that demotion thread, I haven't really seen any other demotion thread other than Pram, Finn's, 414, myself, and Maria's. (agreeing with Bitter)
 * 3) True on Bitter's case. There should be, like, a set of guidelines to what are the length of each punishment, like as site rules say. Whether it be a misuse of a slur, or a repeated offence, there should be a guideline like what the chat rules from October 2012 - December 2013 (I think) have established.
 * 4) I should have answered my own response, rather than Maria explain for it for me to Bitter. To my eyes, it kind of seemed fitting to the puzzle, but it doesn't at the same time. You can ban the users that are responsible for causing the cause. But it's the other users within the chat that decides to retort to their responses. So, punish the ones that decide to retort back and the ones who cause it? That would just cause banning the vast majority of the chat, because people sure do love their arguments resulting around this kind of stuff.