Chat mod control PROPOSAL

Nihilus Nix Naught·11/25/2014 in General

So, a few minutes ago, an idea was brought up in chat. Admins and Bcrats often feel that they spend too much time dealing with chat issues and not enough time on the main site. So, it was proposed that chat moderators take full responsibility of the chat, and all the issues that come with it.

The general idea is that admins and Bcrats will leave chat related decisions to the chat moderators. So things such as the composition of the chat rules, punishments, other moderators and anything to do with chat will be left up to us and us alone.

Now, I know there are going to be several concerns over this, and this thread has been made to resolve these concerns.

Please, try not to go off topic on this thread. Keep posts relating to the topic at hand and ONLY the topic at hand.

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Nihilus Nix Naught·11/25/2014

Before the elitist attitude gets dropped, this "no mod can be trusted" attitude needs to go too.

Just saying.

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RadarMatt·11/25/2014

Nihilus Nix Naught wrote:
Before the elitist attitude gets dropped, this "no mod can be trusted" attitude needs to go too.
Just saying.

I think the "mods can do no wrong" attitude should be dropped too.

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ImGonnaBeThatGuy·11/25/2014

"Hey, you know there's a lot of issues with mods."

"What if. . .we give them more power?"

"Seems reasonable to me."

Oppose -

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Grizzly Bear·11/25/2014

Oppose -

1. Chat is supposed to be usable and enjoyable by the entire site, not just the regulars.

2. Why shouldn't the admins have a say in something that concerns them? Chat is relevant to and impacts the main site, even though most of the regulars do little to no work on it. I noticed this during the last shutdown.

3. How do we know the mods can handle all the issues that might come up? Is there even enough of them? Is their judgement somehow more valuable than an administrators' or crat's?

4. Why are we considering moderators to be "above" admins and crats in the first place? The "admins work on the site, mods work on the chat" mentality demonstrates pretty clearly to me that most of the mods don't seem to care about the main site. This site is not a chatroom. It's a literature site to read and create stories. The fact that we're even making threads like these is already a step in the wrong direction in my eyes.

Unless someone can answer all my questions, I wouldn't be comfortable with this.

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Zyraииe·11/25/2014

Hmm, well, I have rethought my decision, and wanted to change to Oppose - simply because this is going to cause a lot of bickering and drama. I don't think we need that right now.

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Likferd·11/25/2014

Neutral - Administration shouldn't have to concern itself with chat matters, but giving moderators unchecked power probably isn't the best way to go.

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Dead and Gray·11/26/2014

Support - The chat isn't the admin's problem. It shouldn't be. Promotions, demotions, rules, all that stuff will be left to the moderators who have the most first hand experiance dealing with chat, and know what users do well, who causes issues, and what rules would be usefull or detrimental.

Some argue that Moderators shouldn't be given that much power, but that power will be divdided evenly. No one mod can make a descision for all of chat. Secondly, it will NOT be unchecked. While chat matters will be left to us, admins still oversee us when it comes to these things. There was some discussion of having a single admin who is willing to essentially watch over chat and guide us a bit. Obviously, this admin would still have their other duties. Chat is not important enough to have an admin completely dedicated to it.

As for mods not being responsible, that is simply not true. Yes, we have had bad apples in the past, and even currently, but a lot of that is due to bcrats handling promotions when they are simply just not as active when it comes to chat, and as a result just don't know the users as well. That isn't their fault, but the problem would be at least partially remedied by having chat moderators decide chat issues.

And while I can only speak for myself, I can assure you I'm going to do my damndest to improve chat in anyway possible. I'm certian the other moderators feel the same way as well. We don't enjoy these issues, and if we had the ability to fix them more efficently, that would only be a posistive.

Overall, it's a win win. Admins get chat out of their hair, moderators get to have more control to fix issues whenever possible, and by letting chat run chat, issues are fixed more quickly. On top of this, rule changes and right changes will be supervised to ensure stability, and if needed admins can step in any time.

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Fatal Disease·11/26/2014

I'm really not too sure about this. I don't think that the mods should have more power than what they should have with creating rules and deciding which user gets modship, but I like when mods can handle situations on the site relating to the chat.

Neutral - leaning towards oppose.

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Likferd·11/26/2014

Dead and Gray wrote: Promotions, demotions, rules, all that stuff will be left to the moderators who have the most first hand experiance dealing with chat ...

Since they're tasked with watching the chat every day, I can understand why moderators would play a role in the rulemaking process. But having power over promotions and demotions? There's enough dissension within the moderator team as it is; giving moderators these rights would quickly result in a bloodbath. There's a reason bureaucrats handle user rights.

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Steam Phoenix·11/26/2014

Oppose - Mod issues? Give them MORE power and LESS accountability!

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What do you think?