The reasons for keeping are so incredibly stupid.

"We can test their ability to be admin by giving them the same rights as an admin but give them a different name".

You add maybe 4 extra things when you go from VCROC to Admin.

Actually, I can. Pretty sure that not being able to view deleted pages and not having chat mod rights are what seperate me from the admins.

That, and a lot more responsibility will be on my shoulders. I don't feel ready for that now and when I do I'll be making an admin application. I'm also not so certain how easily rollbacks could transtition from that to admin as well- it's a HUGE step up and VCROC seems like a good middle ground between the two.

I wouldn't be comfortable with VCROC being able to do deletion appeals. IMO that should only be handled by people who have proven they know what is and isn't quality.

Otherwise I can't think of a reason for keeping it.

Well, that's weird. I don't remember myself deleting blog posts as a former VCROC, but I'll try again if I get the rights back.

Deletion and Spinoff appeal are a big deal, so this reason is enough to don't shut down VCROC applications.

You could simply ask certain admins to not do them...

Like, how hard would it be to say "Yo dawg, I don't think you should do deleteion appeals just yet since you just got your rights and all. Best break that shit in and then we can talk. Cool?"

You use the "Delete" button at the bottom of the page since you can't edit blogs that aren't your own. I only learned how to do that a while ago as well :?

In all honesty... I'd be pretty comfortable with doing deletion appeal. I've reviewed a lot of pastas in both the Workshop and on the main site and I do consider myself to be a good judge of quality. I can even remember asking if I could help with it back when I was just a rollback, I think. And lately I've noticed Travis seems to be the only one doing any work on it- not that there's anything wrong with that, it's just a lot of work and I really would be glad to help out if possible. As long as the author gives me a Pastebin link to their story or something.

I suppose that is a possibility.

You raise some good points, and I see how this argument could be made for the average wiki. Indeed, the only major differences between VCROC and administrator are access to the admin dashboard and the ability to view and restore deleted articles. But the reason there's such a large divide between these user groups here is because each is tasked with different responsibilities. VCROC is awarded to diligent editors who face obstacles that could be overcome if they had the tools associated with that right. Administrators do much of the same, but emphasis is placed on deletion appeal. Moreover, administrators resolve conflicts between users, investigate site issues, and make sure everything is running in an orderly fashion. In short: VCROC and administrators have similar rights, but admins have additional responsibilities while VCROC are primarily concerned with quality control.

Could we abolish VCROC altogether and have administrators perform all these duties? Well, yeah. But clearly defining what is expected of someone is a good way of making sure work gets done.