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Ever hear of an enter key? Your writing is almost as sad as your brainpower.
> From my response to Squid, I do not care about my stories.
Oh Christ, you still don't get it.
You're a complete waste of keystrokes. Didn't read the rest, hone your comprehension skills. You've been nothing but a depressing look at the chaff that feeds the laziest of YouTube parasites.
People like you, who encourage others to continue being used, are trash. Period.
> Do you notice people interacting with your stories more after they get narrated?
Watch him answer your question normally, even though it's exactly what I asked in a different form.
> This is a correct statement of facts. I stated no opinion.
A creator's website being deleted is a bad sign. Statement of fact, not opinion. Citing ONE person who has written TWO things for sale is not a good singular example of "narrators = success". Statement of fact, not opinion. (If you could tell me about how many he's sold of those, that'd be one thing, but you straight-up thought "two books" was somehow a point.)
"Oh wow, two books." isn't a dig at the author and his books.
"Oh wow, two books." is a dig at your absolutely brain dead point.
Maybe the author started writing books yesterday for all I know, and he wrote two in fucking 24 hours. That'd be astounding! Still, using that to say: "Look man, narrations are good. This dude wrote two books." would be abysmally idiotic.
Let me rephrase it for you:
"Oh wow, what a pointless argument." - Happy?
> What you mentioned about Humboldt is just your opinion, and you put him down.
Oof, what a liar.
> As a cherry on top you tried to mask your obvious dig at my stories as a legit question, lol.
I. Have. Never. Heard. Nor. Read. Any. Of. Your. Stories.
I. Presume. It. Hasn't. Been. Beneficial. And. I. Asked. You. If. It. Was.
How? Is? Asking? How? NARRATION? HAS? HELPED? YOU? A? DIG? AT? WHAT? YOU? WROTE?
Isn't that a dig at FUCKING NARRATION NOT HELPING?
I cannot believe you are actually this stupid and still breathing. So I can only assume you're just continuing to be dishonest.
Good God, you're being absolutely embarrassing. I feel like I'm kicking a toddler across the floor repeatedly.
Congratulations on successfully taking the spotlight off narrations and putting on me with your crazed, half-cocked attacks. Really scored some good boy points, there.
> You were writing stories at the infancy of creepypasta and people got attached to your stories from earlier on.
Oh no! MrDupin disrespected, discredited, and devalued another author and his work by saying I was merely in the right place at the right time. (While also being an idiot and not realizing it was only "the right time" because narrators hadn't flooded the market yet, obscuring creators... lmfao.)
You can frame any statement that way. Your tactics are pathetic, dude. Hit me up when you can debate a topic without being cheap and dishonest.
Yeah, I'm aware you can't see anything other than your pre-determined narrative. I'm disrespectful to people who are being disrespectful. Weep harder over the fact you didn't get special treatment for being thee MrDupin.
Everyone can indeed read the whole thread, and no one outside of your friend group will see you as anything other than dishonest, here.
> I don't mean to derail the topic, but what did he say that caused your reaction?
I disagreed with the great MrDupin, apparently. No one is allowed to do that, or they get a miffy baby insult storm! Now he has to completely fabricate some lie about putting down successful people or some shit.
ONE creator writing two books himself is apparently down to narrators being great for success -- and apparently not being able to keep up your website payments (it seems, maybe it was just dropped from lack of creator's interest) is a sign of success and not evidence of problems... I'm such a meanie.
Typical pot calling kettle black stuff, he's outraged that he's not getting ultimate respect and subjugation because he's thee MrDupin.
Solid proof he thinks a lot of himself: He expects me to know who he is and what he's done, and thinks me asking how much success he's gotten from narrations is anything other than legitimately putting the question to him -- has it worked?
> I actually kinda hope for your sake that the size of your ego and self-importance matches the paychecks you got from writing. If you are going to be a sad, jealous, demeaning little prick, at least be a rich one.
Saying I think you are wrong has nothing to do with ego. However, your response speaks volumes about your insecurities and/or projection.
You have a nice day now, hypocrite.
(How did you sit on the Creepypasta Wiki Discord through all the racism, homophobia, and sex pest abuse without ever speaking up, by the way? Wait, I forgot were participating in some of it.)
> With that logic, you must have cared enough to respond as well, so that either proves you're a liar, or don't know what you're talking about. Pick either.
I said no one cares if you buy my books. That's a perfectly fine response, because literally no one cares what you specifically own. Buy them or don't - who cares? You wouldn't anyway, because it's highly unlikely you buy people's work in the first place.
You said no one cares about my rants after directly saying you have kept track of them on this site, that you remember their content, and that they affected your purchasing.
You, sir, are a Grade A dumb-dumb. By all means, keep flailing and insulting my work as if I give a shit about some random narrator fanboy trying to cause hurt and failing. l m f a o.
> Just like no one cares about -
Lemme stop you there, kid. You care.
> I don't know of any new authors, period. For me, success isn't making a living out of writing or fame. It is making something on the side from your hobby.
However, your claim that narrators help this process along IS the claim that narrators make people and their work "known", IE: Some small measure of "fame" in the "community".
Tell me - how exactly do you claim both that narrators help authors become successful AND this has nothing to do with fame/being known? All narrators CAN provide for an author is noteriety.
"Paid in exposure", and all that.
Kind of a painted-in corner, isn't it?
> Like, what are you on about? You really think promotion is useless?
Is your reading comprehension so bad that you can't understand multiple posts saying there is no promotion in being one of a metric ton of stories posted to a channel, or are you just purposefully ignoring that?
> How can you disagree with "hustling and promoting your work is important"?
Hustle and promote a dog shit sundae by printing fliers and throwing them in the river and see how it works for you.
If your product can't carry itself, it won't work.
If you "promote" in a sea of other promotions no one's clicking through, it won't work.
> I agree on that. I am saying that narrations are useful for gaining traction. Of course you are not going to get anywhere without actual quality. From your tone I understand that you think narrations have 0 value. Could you clear that up? I don't understand what you are trying to say.
I've asked you multiple times to show HOW narrations have value with evidence. Traffic stats, testimonials, etc.
I don't need to make any claims, I can just ask how you're proving yours. ("I like when someone narrates me" doesn't count.)
> I don't think you know what correlation means.
A totally fair response to me asking you to back up your claims with ANY proof whatsoever, sure. </s>
> What you are describing is causation of success.
What I'm talking about is evidence of any shred of what you're theorizing.
> I am talking about correlation between success and narrations.
Pointless stance to take. Prove it or don't claim it as a counter-argument against a position with evidence.
> I have some non-trivial experience with data science, and I would bet good money [...]
Lemme stop you there. Experience, data science, then "I bet".
I don't care what you bet is true.
> Let's say McCreepyNarrator narrates our stories. Your stories get consistently higher engagement (views/likes/comments/shares/whatnot) than mine. This is an indication that you are a better writer. Is it definite proof? No. It's an indication that can be used in the great big data-munching machine to make decisions.
No, it's actually useless unless you account for a multitude of other factors. Story content. Story title. Creature or icon in story. Thumbnail. Time of day. Day of week. Month. Narrator's traffic/subs for each posting.
Likes, etc. on a video mean nothing in the way you've framed this. People frequently click like or dislike before they even watch videos.
> Exhibit 1. (Additionally, how much success have narrations brought you, MrDupin?)
Legitimate question. I don't know you or anything you've done. You could tell me you've sold the rights to your stories in a multi-million dollar deal with Disney.
> Exhibit 2. Wow two whole books, amazing.
Dude, you cited writing two books some sort of notable success brought out of a start in Creepypasta. Your example was bad, and it's funny that you're counting me disregarding your example as "looking down" on a third party who isn't even here.
If you told me he went on to success by writing an episode of a TV show and left it at that, I'd say "Wow, an episode? Amazing."
The point you chose to make was underwhelming in comparison to this being your sole example of someone being helped by narrations.
What did you expect? "Holy shit, TWO books?! Fuck, I concede."
> Exhibit 3. He's also so successful that he apparently lost his domain name. Yikes, what an example to choose, dude.
Do you legitimately not understand that having a dead web presence isn't a sign of success? Double yikes, my dude.
I guess if my local book store closes, I can't point to that as a lack of success.
> At least you didn't edit your comment to remove these, I applaud that.
Yeah I mean I knew I didn't look down on anyone, so there was nothing to even consider removing -- if I were the type.
> I didn't know that you had written a novel, and congratulations for that. Did you self publish or go through traditional methods?
A couple comics through publishers, put some books of short stories on Amazon. A fully funded Kickstarter book, as well. I was actually never planning to put out books at all, but people kept asking over the years.
Weird that all of that happened without narrations doing it.
> With that being said, I can say that I will never buy anything that you publish.
Yeah, no one cares.
> That is not what I said...
You said what worked for me isn't necessarily what works "in general", so all I did was repeat my point and note that you're saying it doesn't work "in general" which you absolutely did.
> I clearly said narrations are a factor and that gaining traction is good. Not sure what your problem is with that.
The problem? As I already said, though you ignored it - prove your claim. Show me a new author in the past 4 (or even 6?) years who has achieved 'fame' from being narrated.
The exact reason the "old guard" of authors got known before the boom of narrations on YouTube is because they got their work out BEFORE that boom. It's a flood, now. A swamp. A tremendous hay stack of low-quality reads of randomly chosen stories that completely obscures the rare high-quality needle.
This isn't a point you win on. Narration glut is 100% a problem, and you will never successfully get past that point.
> Obviously the moral of the Humboldt story is that to get successful you have to hustle for it and promote your work.
Now you're completely flipping and making the "it worked for one, so it works in general" argument? :D
> I never said narrations were the end-all-be-all, I am legit confused where you got that from.
Quote where I said you thought they were the be-all-end-all.
> What I did is called "proof by counter-example".
No, you didn't. My claim was that work that can't stand on its own quality-wise won't benefit from a narration. You replied with someone whose work probably stands on its own quality-wise, completely missing the point.
What you did was more similar to "whataboutism" than what you claim.
> I showed that narrations are indeed correlated with success.
Hahaha, no you did not. Show me traffic, show me fan testimony, show me anything that proves people click through from the bottom half of a YouTube description to check out creators.
Don't just stand here and lie about what you've shown.
> You can argue all you want about "correlation vs causation", but eh.
Lemme rephrase that for you, "I realize correlation isn't causation and that ruins my entire attempt at a point, but if I write this line maybe I'll get to slide on it."
> Finally, looking down on people and belittling their success is not cool.
Quote where I did that. Wow, what a scumbag maneuver you're pulling.
> Have some class man, geez.
Stop being a lying blowhard trying to force a pro-narration agenda because of personal preference, man. Geez.
I'll be over here waiting for your proof, any at all, that ANYONE clicks through the creator links on the bottom half of 7 descriptions on 7 videos in 7 days posted to a top narration channel.
Any time you're ready, Mr. D.
Meanwhile, I'll again point you to r/Creepypasta where people CONSTANTLY ask "what was that story I once heard?" because they never even so much as took the time to bookmark it.
Hell, show you my website traffic stats and how they don't bump when someone narrates my work (for a licensing fee). Then you can tell me "Well your stories aren't good enough for them, I guess" despite the fact I'm being paid to do it while you're telling everyone they'll get a traffic bump on random works narrators look for because they're free. :)
> I just wanted to point out that just because something worked for you, doesn't mean it works in general.
So you're saying that being able to carry your own work without a narration doesn't work in general? l m f a o.
Tell me an author who started out in the past 4 years who got 'known' because of narrations.
Seems we found what doesn't work "in general", and it's being narrated. ;)
(Additionally, how much success have narrations brought you, MrDupin?)
> The only writer I've known who jumped from creepypasta to professional writing is HumboldtLycanthrope, and he did it by sharing his work far and wide.
Wow, not by being a good author, huh?
What about the author of Borrasca from 2015? She went on to write for television. The fact that you only know of one person just means you're far from an expert on these claims you're making.
> Then, when he gained some traction he clamped down on the licensing rights, and I believe he even removed a lot of his stories from here.
Sounds like an asshole. He's also so successful that he apparently lost his domain name. Yikes, what an example to choose, dude.
> Now he has written two books with more on the way and seems to be doing fine.
Wow two whole books, amazing.
> But the first step, the exposure, came partly from narrators.
Prove a single narration viewer purchased one of his books. I know you can't, of course - but that's the point. You're making definitive statements based on nothing but your opinion.
> Of course, Humboldt is a great writer and he really promoted his stuff, but discrediting narrations as a promotion tool is not right.
Narrators churn out a flowing river of content. There is zero way you can claim a singular author of one story posted out of 7 for that week received any benefit whatsoever.
Here's the mistake you're making - You're attributing success of a story to the narration channel. In reality, the success of the narration channel hinges on the stories.
You're looking at YouTubers who got famous by using authors and working backward to presume those YouTubers, who only achieved success via the stories, are now somehow magically the ones bringing interest to the works. Listeners by and large, on a massive scale, don't give a shit about the stories and are simply following the personality of the YouTuber.
Want proof? Check r/Creepypasta and see how many threads there are asking people "What was that one story I heard narrated?" - People don't even remember the title, author, etc. and can usually only recall basic themes.
Research is key to understanding this stuff - not hero worship or fuzzy feelings about a narrator "picking" your story when they will literally read ANYthing that fills 10 minutes to secure ads.
Dude can get 30k upvotes on NoSleep and people will go: "He was successful because a narrator saw his story was popular and then read it out loud". XD
CC-BY isn't better than CC-BY-SA. No licensing choice is "better" than another because it's all dependent on what the creator wants.
Further, what you said is incredibly stupid.
First, YouTube narrators release a TON of content. There is NO promotion to be had, because the day after your story goes up, it's forgotten and so are you. (I'd love to see you prove a single person clicks from a narration video to the creator's URL.) Supporting "payment in exposure" is a dummy's game, and you fully deserve to be taken advantage of by the bland readers lining their pockets, if you allow it.
Second, I have guarded my rights and I've done fine. I'm known. My works are known. Narrators had no part in it. You, on the other hand, will likely allow yourself to be bent over by an endless line of YouTube shills and you'll come out of it as obscure as you started.
If you can't rely on YOURSELF and YOUR WORK to become known, NO ONE else will be able to help you get there.
But I digress... please continue saying I don't know what I'm talking about, random dude. Help people continue to abuse creators, and throw your fellow writers under the bus with false advice on how to succeed as you chase fame from people who won't actually share it with you.
Cool, so you can drop the aside comments about other people's choices and implying it's "inconveniencing" narrators by retaining further rights. Good resolution.
Ew, spamming multiple replies instead of putting in a note on your previous one.
"I edited it to add the analogy and the question"
And then you proceeded to act like my response was to what you edited in. That's the entire point. XD
Also, why are you saying I'm a best-selling author? What the fuck is with your delusions that you're talking to some upper-crust rich celebrity? Does it help with your narrative that it's bad to prevent narrators from profiting on my work? All apologies for saying so, but you're coming across nutty. I'm not trying to pick on you if you actually do have some cognitive issue, I'm only addressing your posts here.
You went back and edited your post, don't pretend that's what you originally said and don't pretend that's what I replied to.
"Entitled liar" = You. Especially now that you just pulled THAT shit, too.
Now that you changed your post: You're giving excuses to justify people lazily using others' work to enrich themselves. You literally talk about narrators theoretically not having money, and me having money to sue. (Fuck you for assuming, btw.) That is why you are like a child justifying shoplifting. I hope this helped clear it up for you.
"[...] no one's stopping you from going all the way and suing the shit out of youtubers who dare to narrate your stories." - You being a snarky asshole about a creator protecting their rights. As much as you obviously want to reel this back to "lol dawg i was just talking about me and cc-by", that ship sailed with your other comments.
You're literally saying "why can't narrators just take stories they like and profit from them?" and then you make excuses about needing money, bringing exposure, if you don't like it sue, blah blah blah.
You're exactly like a child justifying stealing. Apply your shitty logic to artwork. Why can't someone just sell t-shirts with an artist's work on them? The artist probably has money and the t-shirt maker needs to make a living, waaahhh.
I guess entitled liars never change, huh?