I'm really not too sure about this. I don't think that the mods should have more power than what they should have with creating rules and deciding which user gets modship, but I like when mods can handle situations on the site relating to the chat.

 Neutral - leaning towards oppose.

Since they're tasked with watching the chat every day, I can understand why moderators would play a role in the rulemaking process. But having power over promotions and demotions? There's enough dissension within the moderator team as it is; giving moderators these rights would quickly result in a bloodbath. There's a reason bureaucrats handle user rights.

 Oppose - Mod issues? Give them MORE power and LESS accountability!

Steam Phoenix wrote:
 Oppose - Mod issues? Give them MORE power and LESS accountability!

Incase you missed it, and you did. Cleric and chat came up to a solution to all this and people's claims against admins as well. He is apparently making an announcement thread later. 

Love, I hate arguing with you, but the reason that chat mods are being given more power over chat is because well, it's in the name, CHAT moderator, they are accountable for what happens in chat. Admin's can watch chat, yes, but chat moderators do not need to worry about the main site, other than having drama leak into it. Crats shouldn't have to take time out of their day just to make sure we all aren't being complete jackasses in chat. Last time that happened, chat was shut down.

For a good reason.

I think what Gray meant, was that, even though mods will be taking care of chat, Crats will still retain the right to demote as they see fit, but the issue with this is, there are some TERRIBLE reasons for demoting people and some extremely good ones. I, for one, used to be a chat moderator. Man was I jackass. I had my rights constantly switched in between accounts, I'm fairly certain I socked at one point, and I had a terrible temper. Those were the reasons for my demotion, and you know who demoted me? A crat? 

The point of that short story was for the sole fact that, Crat's will still handle promotion/demotions, but will be going off of what PROOF the chat mods give them. It's how it's always been, since I've been here, at least.

Ok, you know what?

Mods, I have something to ask of you. I'm going to make a thread, and I think it would help if you participated. 

People tend to refer to us as a group, with no individuality. In my opinion, that is not ok in the slightest. So, I want people to get to know us, to maybe help build some trust. If you guys could write a small paragraph about the person behind the screen, or even better, a voice message, that might help stop this generalization I see everywhere.

Maybe if people get to know us better as people, all these general conceptions of moderators will disappear. What do you say?

I've been trying all this time to refer to moderators individually. I don't trust somebody just because they're a mod. There are some moderators that are amazing and others that are not so much, the same goes for admins and anybody else that uses this site and chat.

 Oppose - most of the mods suck 

Skunkette wrote:
 Oppose - most of the mods suck 

1. That's not a helpful comment at all. If you're going to complain about mods, being specific really helps.

2. This plan isn't going to be used, there is already an alternate one that's going to be put to action at some point.