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  • Princess Callie
    Princess Callie closed this thread because:
    See #64
    20:52, March 13, 2014

    I am here today in order to petition for the removal of Pramirez351's Chat Moderator rights.

    Initially Pram started out as a decent mod with a promising future as they were polite and courteous to users. They also knew how to properly enforce policy in chat as needed. But as of late has fallen short of what is expected out of this wikis chat moderators.

    In the past month or two not only has Pramirez351 fallen out of practice with moderation but has also been known to abuse his rights in favour of his current girl friend which constantly antagonizes users for the purpose of starting drama. He then neglects to punish her while dealing out kicks to those defending themselves against her attacks.

    This alone is intolerable and warrants demotion in itself but then he goes even farther to threaten users in PM if they don't cease contact with her even though she goes out of her way to start the issues in the first place. More so he has started subtly enforcing rules that don't actually exist and claims flame baiting whenever there is a disagreement between a user he favours and one that is favoured less.

    All in all these type of actions are not acceptable from a moderator period even if they don't actually do anything until their loved one feels threatened.

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    • Support Support -

      He is a completely bias mod when it comes to his girlfriend. It's unfair on the users who gets punished for HIM not doing his job correctly when he should of punished his girlfriend in the first place.

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    • Support Support - agreed 

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    • Don't know/haven't ever seen the guy, but I know it must be bad for you to put up a long description like that, Maria.

      And the descriptions look revolting.

      Edit: Neutral Neutral - You know what? I really don't give a fuck now that I've given it thought (and after reading the back and forth teen drama bullshit below). It's fucking chat for God's sake. Get over yourselves. I wish we could put as much effort into the overall integrity of this site than we seem to do with the chat here. Re-godamned-diculous. 

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    • Support Support - Don't see him much on anymore. 

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    • Support Support - Pram was a decent mod, he is still a decent person but until something changes, he should no longer be a mod. 

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    • i thought he was demoted already but still i Support Support -

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    • Support Support - Sounds like a D-Bag.

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    • Support Support - I'll see you in Poland, baby. No, really. Burn the fucker.

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    • Neutral Neutral - Pram's argument made me think.

      But, I'm still not opposing the demotion, but, I guess neither supporting it.

      Fuck it, I'm staying out of this to avoid headaches.

      Screw you guys
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    • Haven't really seen any of this activity, or heard about it. Neutral Neutral -

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    • Oh gosh xD. Well, I feel a bit attacked if anything, but no its fine. Here, let me give you a couple of things that I think I need to clear up. 

      1. The only thing I am guilty of for doing with my girlfriend, was having a bit more tolerance with her. I've scorned her many a time to stop making drama in chat. (More on that note, has anyone seen her recently? thats because I've told her about how much her actions are affecting chat. She herself feels attacked, and well, she stopped coming, knowing that it would be better for her to stop all drama with everyone then get me further into trouble.) I can tell you guys that for sure, I have if anything, been the harshest with her, coming one kick close to banning her. Thats more than I've given other users that are involoved with this. (I think the most kicks I gave to calm down users was 2, and that was because they themselves wouldn't drop the subject.)

      2. In what I felt would be a good action, I told any user that would cause drama with her to stop talking to her. If we all ignore the people that do us wrong, then no one has a problem anymore right? I myself was told to stop talking to noah after he started the drama with me, or else I would probably get banned. Did I complain? no. I found it fair, if he wasnt going to talk to me, I wouldn't talk to him. You can go ahead and check. Every time I've warned an user to stop talking to another user, I acknowlege that I have to be strict with both users, not just one, especially that I may be biased with. 

      3. "More so he has started subtly enforcing rules that don't actually exist" If this refers to the banning people for offsite drama, I am sorry. We all make mistakes. Cleric banned Zack for offsite drama, so I thought thats what set the precedent for that. It was not in the rules in my memory until AFTER any of these incidents happened, so it was really hard to find out the actual regulations. (I proposed to have a meeting so we could clear this up, but everyone seemed to complain about it and maria even ended up saying that it wasn't important enough. http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:216572 )

      4. "claims flame baiting whenever there is a disagreement between a user he favours and one that is favoured less." This morning, maria was on chat, and was being REALLY bitter about getting demoted. She started talking about how people here are full of bullshit, and well, when one of the other users started talking about his girlfriend, she started being immensly rude, and commented on her negatively (he showed us a pic of her, and maria said something along the lines of "If I wanted to see the picture of a dog, I would have looked it up myself"). Last time I checked, flame baiting, was when any particular user -- for whatever reason -- tried to anger another user into getting angry by making comments that are imflamatory. That is what I have as a definition. Also, I don't know about you guys, but I don't like getting offended, which is why we made that one chat guideliness thread saying that we have to be a lot nicer to people. If anything, I am the only mod that tries to enforce this even BEFORE it was "put in place".

      5. Last of all, I would like you to look at the evidence presented against me. As I am aware, I have only made minor mistakes. I have seen mods come and go, and I know that many have done much more dramatic things, yet this is one of the few (if any) mistakes I have done. I have always tried to be friendly in chat, and helpful. If you don't see me on chat, thats maybe because I am one of the few mods that are bold enough to take the night shift in chat (I know I'm not perfect. I fall asleep at night, but I like most people here go to a school. Sorry for giving my body something it needs.)

      Not to be forgotten, is also the vigor and ferocity that has been shown by the people that have made this thread. The rhetoric used like " to abuse his rights in favour of his current girl friend which constantly antagonizes users for the purpose of starting drama." and "alone is intolerable and warrants demotion in itself", if anything is used to cause an inflamatory effect on the reader, and might even entice them enough to think in... not the most civilized of terms. I hope that when people comment on here, they are fully aware that their comments are read, and really taken to heart. If anything, I have been one of the most supportive individuals in chat. I try to be fair, and listen to both sides of the story. Any person that sticks around long enough, knows that I try my hardest to be a good mod, and an even better person. I hope that you all consider all these pieces of info, and that you get interested into my side of the story as well. Again, I feel like the only mistake I've made, is have a bit too much tolerance with my girlfriend, and not know the unwritten rules. Please, If you have any questions, my talk page is reachable, or talk to me on chat. 

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    • As far as the lack of evidence on both sides go (I've not been 'round to see this), Pram does a pretty good job at explaining himself.

      However, I'm taking a route of caution and am hesitant to side against a majority -- especially one with users I've come to trust as part of said majority.

      Support Support - When I see good evidence to the contrary, I'll change my stance.

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    • I'm still kind of leaning on Pram's side, I haven't really seen evidence on either side at the moment. I'm still going to stay neutral but considering Pram's reports, I may change if more evidence is brought to the table. 

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    • The Damn Batman wrote: I'm still kind of leaning on Pram's side, I haven't really seen evidence on either side at the moment. I'm still going to stay neutral but considering Pram's reports, I may change if more evidence is brought to the table. 

      I'll bring evidence as soon as possible.

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      Ahem All i really have to say is, this is onetouchonekill Now known as SecretSlave, a user. her last name on here was "IWillGertrudYourSoul" and she is prams girlfriend. This is not the first case of her harassing me in public but it is the first time i spoke out against it:

      http://prntscr.com/2u4dl1

      http://prntscr.com/2u4dm1

      http://prntscr.com/2u4dn0

      Following a rather large argument between becca and onetouch with becca defending me and onetouch calling becca a whore atleast twice pram settled it by kicking onetouch. later on he pm'd me and this, Followed:

      http://imgur.com/Sh76kBf

      http://imgur.com/8SbApAA

      http://imgur.com/ub26L7t

      http://imgur.com/1hSI9N6

      http://imgur.com/2WRozae

      http://imgur.com/IklmCX3

      http://imgur.com/ts4VYPQ

      http://imgur.com/ZXUeh4O

      he was Also Pming Becca too when this happened and at a few points he said such things as "You will listen to me because i know best" or something along those lines. which... isn't a very good thing to say.

      Also relevant Is:

      http://i.imgur.com/N1RMh8e.jpg

      http://i.imgur.com/iqBSxPm.jpg

      http://i.imgur.com/rfGsdLh.jpg

      http://i.imgur.com/4AxxuRw.jpg

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    • Oppose Oppose - For heaven's sake. I personally conducted the investigation into the allegations against Pram at hand, and rectified the situations which needed rectified. I also showed Fatal what I found and he agreed. At the very most, it was borderline power abuse, nothing worth a demotion.

      This evidence included what Noah has posted here. Other than the fact being that many of these allegations are technical assumptions, the only evidence being Noah's screencaps, which have been reasonably countered, does not presume worth of demotion.

      Now, this being said, as an admin for this wiki, I am closing this thread and demanding that a new one, with evidence being presented fairly and unbiasedly, and all evidence from the situation, be presented in the case, including this post on this thread. If you are going to request a demotion against a user, do it fairly or don't at all.

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    • Oppose Oppose - This is too fucking biased. And I like the fact that people are too goddamn ignorant to look at what Pram said.

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    • Neutral Neutral - I'm not so sure. I need more evidence.

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    • Neutral Neutral - -I would have oppossed, but noah convinced me to go neutral, regardless of my bias.

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    • Would you like to explain how pointing out completely valid points is biased? Last time I checked a thread in favour of a users demotion is supposed to show why that users thinks they should be demoted.

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    • Here, I'll crackdown what I found in Noah's evidence that can be listed as antagonizing:

      1. "You gonna keep the bitch on a leash or what"
      2. "I mean, I'd be interested if my gallie pallie was flirting with a kid"
      3. "She was quite jealous that I was apparently "flirting" with Squid instead of her"
      4. "She also mentioned how you don't ever flirt with her"
      5. "Yeah I honestly don't give 5 minute fucks about your 3 minute fucks"
      6. "Well, shit holmes i got a cousin named maddie" "what if I mention her"

      I shouldn't have to specifically point these out as attacks on Pram and his girlfriend. That is no more excusable than this supposed harassment.

      The fact of the matter is, yes, that invalidates those points.

      As far as the four ending screenshots, I believe that an admin is able to make a temp. I told him that the decision would be left up to Skelly and that he was temp until then (or until an admin revoked his rights, which they also have the right to do, so is not needed to be mentioned.)

      And here's another valid point. Last time I checked, a demotion was not supposed to be in the form of a proposal. Thus why Sarah was hesitated on during her demotion from adminship. There was also no word that this policy - which Sloshed and other admins mentioned at the time - had changed, regardless of it being written down.

      On top of that, after looking into it, I reprimanded Pram on the situation of off-site drama and the ban for simply mentioning names. Considering the fact that this was a factor, then all mods should be demoted over the fact that they've kicked and banned people over saying the word "cock" in chat.

      And again, you make a rule, it applies to all cases. If Noah honestly wanted to evade harassment rather than trying to get dirt on someone with a star, he would've had the sense to block the PM. If a guy threatening to rape girls in PM doesn't get attention, screencaps or no, then a mod "abusing power" shouldn't either. After all, I don't believe there's a difference between a mod slipping up and the crime of cyber-bullying (it is a crime) if it's in PM's, no?

      So, if these points are valid, they have just been countered.

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    • Support Support - I've heard a lot about it, never personally seen any of it myself though.

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    • Ill have to point that indeed, a public thread is definitely the way to deal with a demotion. You know, judging how Staff needs to see threads to demote people and all, Id say it could work as the correct protocol for every case.

      Now, leaving that aside...I cant avoid to find the screenshots provided somewhat dubious, in the sense of the attittude coming from both sides. I definitely can sense some bias, what with the taunting about flirting on Facebook and what not. To me that seems like baiting to try to get a negative reaction. However, Pramirez really does need to get some control on Gertrud, on the sense of her activities on chat. The screenshots provided of the main chat really shows a behavior that requires at the very least intervention from a Moderator, and while Prammi kicked her twice, it seems that she should have been banned instead, as it was a large argument and all, and here everything indicates it was told to stop at least once, and it didnt

      For that, Im banning Gertrud, under the grounds of flamebaiting

      Now, Oppose Oppose -

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:
      Ill have to point that indeed, a public thread is definitely the way to deal with a demotion. You know, judging how Staff needs to see threads to demote people and all, Id say it could work as the correct protocol for every case.

      Now, leaving that aside...I cant avoid to find the screenshots provided somewhat dubious, in the sense of the attittude coming from both sides. I definitely can sense some bias, what with the taunting about flirting on Facebook and what not. To me that seems like baiting to try to get a negative reaction. However, Pramirez really does need to get some control on Gertrud, on the sense of her activities on chat. The screenshots provided of the main chat really shows a behavior that requires at the very least intervention from a Moderator, and while Prammi kicked her twice, it seems that she should have been banned instead, as it was a large argument and all, and here everything indicates it was told to stop at least once, and it didnt

      For that, Im banning Gertrud, under the grounds of flamebaiting

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      Look, Let me just clear some shit up okay? The reason I was taunting and "antagonizing" Pram at that point was because until that night i had tried to fool myself into thinking gertrud was my friend, Desptie every bit of shit she gave me repeatedly. frequently telling me to shut up and such things as shown in the screenshot. she NEVER got called out or punished for any of this before the instance i screenshotted, and when i took the screenshots i had reached a point wherein i didn't care what happened. because i was being insulted and mocked by someone I called a friend until that night. which i did, i tried to be friends with her. I tried as much as i could but all she ever did was push me out and insult me in main. so i got tired of it. And i didn't expect pram to do anything about it. i KNEW he wasn't going to do anything about it, Because he was with gertrud. so if he wasn't gonna bring justice anyways, he didn't deserve my respect. Especially not in PM.

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:

      However, Pramirez really does need to get some control on Gertrud, on the sense of her activities on chat. The screenshots provided of the main chat really shows a behavior that requires at the very least intervention from a Moderator, and while Prammi kicked her twice, it seems that she should have been banned instead, as it was a large argument and all, and here everything indicates it was told to stop at least once, and it didnt

      For that, Im banning Gertrud, under the grounds of flamebaiting

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      Ok, well, I just want to clear something uip. People think. They think a certain way. I cant really force anyone to think differently, so as much as I scold my girlfriend, I don't have xontrol of her actions, and what she does in chat. If its alright with you, and other trusted users, I would like for another mod to step in and take care of the situation for me. I know I am biased towards her, and therefore I wouldn't like to make the call on who gets kicked and banned. If someone else could help me in that situation, I would greatly appreciate the help.

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    • I already banned Gertrud, so it all should be fine for the moment on that side

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote: I already banned Gertrud, so it all should be fine for the moment on that side

      That doesn't make it "all right". The fact that he didn't do it himself a long time ago when the incidents happened is what matters.

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    • UrotsukI wrote:
      WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:
      Ill have to point that indeed, a public thread is definitely the way to deal with a demotion. You know, judging how Staff needs to see threads to demote people and all, Id say it could work as the correct protocol for every case.

      Now, leaving that aside...I cant avoid to find the screenshots provided somewhat dubious, in the sense of the attittude coming from both sides. I definitely can sense some bias, what with the taunting about flirting on Facebook and what not. To me that seems like baiting to try to get a negative reaction. However, Pramirez really does need to get some control on Gertrud, on the sense of her activities on chat. The screenshots provided of the main chat really shows a behavior that requires at the very least intervention from a Moderator, and while Prammi kicked her twice, it seems that she should have been banned instead, as it was a large argument and all, and here everything indicates it was told to stop at least once, and it didnt

      For that, Im banning Gertrud, under the grounds of flamebaiting

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      Look, Let me just clear some shit up okay? The reason I was taunting and "antagonizing" Pram at that point was because until that night i had tried to fool myself into thinking gertrud was my friend, Desptie every bit of shit she gave me repeatedly. frequently telling me to shut up and such things as shown in the screenshot. she NEVER got called out or punished for any of this before the instance i screenshotted, and when i took the screenshots i had reached a point wherein i didn't care what happened. because i was being insulted and mocked by someone I called a friend until that night. which i did, i tried to be friends with her. I tried as much as i could but all she ever did was push me out and insult me in main. so i got tired of it. And i didn't expect pram to do anything about it. i KNEW he wasn't going to do anything about it, Because he was with gertrud. so if he wasn't gonna bring justice anyways, he didn't deserve my respect. Especially not in PM.

      As far as respect, disrespecting someone and taunting them, and then going after them for power abuse is ridiculous. What's between you and Gertrud has nothing to do with what is between Pram and you (with the exception of the two's relationship), and therefore, you should not have taunted at him. If you put it on a scale, your attitude was much worse than Pram's.

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    • Princess Callie wrote:

      UrotsukI wrote:
      WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:
      Ill have to point that indeed, a public thread is definitely the way to deal with a demotion. You know, judging how Staff needs to see threads to demote people and all, Id say it could work as the correct protocol for every case.

      Now, leaving that aside...I cant avoid to find the screenshots provided somewhat dubious, in the sense of the attittude coming from both sides. I definitely can sense some bias, what with the taunting about flirting on Facebook and what not. To me that seems like baiting to try to get a negative reaction. However, Pramirez really does need to get some control on Gertrud, on the sense of her activities on chat. The screenshots provided of the main chat really shows a behavior that requires at the very least intervention from a Moderator, and while Prammi kicked her twice, it seems that she should have been banned instead, as it was a large argument and all, and here everything indicates it was told to stop at least once, and it didnt

      For that, Im banning Gertrud, under the grounds of flamebaiting

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      Look, Let me just clear some shit up okay? The reason I was taunting and "antagonizing" Pram at that point was because until that night i had tried to fool myself into thinking gertrud was my friend, Desptie every bit of shit she gave me repeatedly. frequently telling me to shut up and such things as shown in the screenshot. she NEVER got called out or punished for any of this before the instance i screenshotted, and when i took the screenshots i had reached a point wherein i didn't care what happened. because i was being insulted and mocked by someone I called a friend until that night. which i did, i tried to be friends with her. I tried as much as i could but all she ever did was push me out and insult me in main. so i got tired of it. And i didn't expect pram to do anything about it. i KNEW he wasn't going to do anything about it, Because he was with gertrud. so if he wasn't gonna bring justice anyways, he didn't deserve my respect. Especially not in PM.

      As far as respect, disrespecting someone and taunting them, and then going after them for power abuse is ridiculous. What's between you and Gertrud has nothing to do with what is between Pram and you (with the exception of the two's relationship), and therefore, you should not have taunted at him. If you put it on a scale, your attitude was much worse than Pram's.

      It's still no excuse for the way Pram chose to respond or what he threatened to do, and it in no way justifies letting someone who is clearly shown to harass other users at will do it as they please.

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    • Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      WhyAmIReadingThis wrote: I already banned Gertrud, so it all should be fine for the moment on that side

      That doesn't make it "all right". The fact that he didn't do it himself a long time ago when the incidents happened is what matters.

      Whether someone bans someone or not is not grounds for power abuse. Is that what this is about? A mod not immediately banning his girlfriend becomes the call of abuse? Considering Noah didn't report it, (and no, Noah, when the incident in main happened does not count as reporting) Pram was actually not obligated to do anything except to stop the drama, which he did so.

      Anything Pram did wrong, he was reprimanded for. The fact is, demoting Pram demotes one of the better mods of the group for something he thought he was supposed to do in order to keep things under control.

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    • Princess Callie wrote:

      Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      WhyAmIReadingThis wrote: I already banned Gertrud, so it all should be fine for the moment on that side

      That doesn't make it "all right". The fact that he didn't do it himself a long time ago when the incidents happened is what matters.

      Whether someone bans someone or not is not grounds for power abuse. Is that what this is about? A mod not immediately banning his girlfriend becomes the call of abuse? Considering Noah didn't report it, (and no, Noah, when the incident in main happened does not count as reporting) Pram was actually not obligated to do anything except to stop the drama, which he did so.

      Anything Pram did wrong, he was reprimanded for. The fact is, demoting Pram demotes one of the better mods of the group for something he thought he was supposed to do in order to keep things under control.

      Noah did in fact report it, and yes, not banning someone that is clearly causing disruptions in chat by purposely harassing others just because you are in a relationship with them is power abuse. Your job as a Chat Moderator is to stop things like that from happening or stop them from escalating which he full well neglected to do on several occasions.

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    • Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      Princess Callie wrote:

      Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      WhyAmIReadingThis wrote: I already banned Gertrud, so it all should be fine for the moment on that side

      That doesn't make it "all right". The fact that he didn't do it himself a long time ago when the incidents happened is what matters.
      Whether someone bans someone or not is not grounds for power abuse. Is that what this is about? A mod not immediately banning his girlfriend becomes the call of abuse? Considering Noah didn't report it, (and no, Noah, when the incident in main happened does not count as reporting) Pram was actually not obligated to do anything except to stop the drama, which he did so.

      Anything Pram did wrong, he was reprimanded for. The fact is, demoting Pram demotes one of the better mods of the group for something he thought he was supposed to do in order to keep things under control.

      Noah did in fact report it, and yes, not banning someone that is clearly causing disruptions in chat by purposely harassing others just because you are in a relationship with them is power abuse. Your job as a Chat Moderator is to stop things like that from happening or stop them from escalating which he full well neglected to do on several occasions.

      Pram did as he was supposed to do. He stopped the drama in main chat by resolving it with a kick.

      And if he reported it, then when? I never heard word one about it until now, obviously neither did Nick, Fatal, Pram or the others. Under that, there is not a possible way it was properly reported to an admin or moderator. To say it was is a bold face lie - lest she would have been banned before this thread came up.

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    • Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      Noah did in fact report it, and yes, not banning someone that is clearly causing disruptions in chat by purposely harassing others just because you are in a relationship with them is power abuse. Your job as a Chat Moderator is to stop things like that from happening or stop them from escalating which he full well neglected to do on several occasions.

      But maria, I did keep them from escalating. I kicked gertrud, TWICE. If anything, I don't know if a 2 hour ban would have sufficed. Again, next time, ill leave  it up to someone esle to make the call. 

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    • Neutral Neutral - I have no idea what side to choose seeing as both provide pretty good evidence to side on.... But, I'm still not convinced....

      Pram has been demoted anyway so what's the point?

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    • Oppose Oppose - per Fatal and Callie

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    • KEI (Glitch) wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - I have no idea what side to choose seeing as both provide pretty good evidence to side on.... But, I'm still not convinced....

      Pram has been demoted anyway so what's the point?

      Kei, I haven't been demoted yet. I have been suspended which is different. Its not over till the skinny skelleton sings.

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    • Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 

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    • The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 

      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/

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    • Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/

      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.

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    • SecretSlave wrote:
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      To let you guys know, this is Gertrud, she told me, sadly I can't prove it with caps or anything, she also told me how much she was mad at Pram for kicking her. So he did, and she accused him of abusing his powers by not kicking Brooke, Noah, or Becca. So, might wanna get a check.

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      SecretSlave wrote:
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      To let you guys know, this is Gertrud, she told me, sadly I can't prove it with caps or anything, she also told me how much she was mad at Pram for kicking her. So he did, and she accused him of abusing his powers by not kicking Brooke, Noah, or Becca. So, might wanna get a check.

      if that is indeed gertrud shouldnt we remove that vote due to bias or something :L

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    • Temmington wrote:

      The Last Paladin wrote:
      SecretSlave wrote:
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      To let you guys know, this is Gertrud, she told me, sadly I can't prove it with caps or anything, she also told me how much she was mad at Pram for kicking her. So he did, and she accused him of abusing his powers by not kicking Brooke, Noah, or Becca. So, might wanna get a check.

      if that is indeed gertrud shouldnt we remove that vote due to bias or something :L

      It is her and no, they have a right to vote just as much as anyone.

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    • Lil' Miss Rarity wrote:

      Temmington wrote:

      The Last Paladin wrote:
      SecretSlave wrote:
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      To let you guys know, this is Gertrud, she told me, sadly I can't prove it with caps or anything, she also told me how much she was mad at Pram for kicking her. So he did, and she accused him of abusing his powers by not kicking Brooke, Noah, or Becca. So, might wanna get a check.
      if that is indeed gertrud shouldnt we remove that vote due to bias or something :L
      It is her and no, they have a right to vote just as much as anyone.

      Well since some of these votes are biased, as in agreeing with their friends and the such, I think this should count. It's just one vote, which at the time, isn't a deciding factor, and a she's still a user nonetheless.

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    • The Damn Batman wrote:
      Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/
      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.

      I saw no instigation

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    • Mr.stache65 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - per Fatal and Callie

      k, so this is because Fatal and Callie opposed? Have you no say of your own?

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      Mr.stache65 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - per Fatal and Callie
      k, so this is because Fatal and Callie opposed? Have you no say of your own?

      Also a perfect example of the biased votes I mentioned earlier, because friends are agreeing and decide to not have opposite votes

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Last Paladin wrote:
      Mr.stache65 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - per Fatal and Callie
      k, so this is because Fatal and Callie opposed? Have you no say of your own?
      Also a perfect example of the biased votes I mentioned earlier, because friends are agreeing and decide to not have opposite votes

      No paladin. They are not friends. They are actual users that are seeing both sides of the situation. If they see that Fatal and Cal have explored everything in the matter and they don't need to add more to it, then they have the right to say so. 

      Lastly, broski, I advise this to you from a friendly perspective, you don't see me going around and commenting on every support that I see trying to prove them right or wrong. Its people's opinion, and well, I feel like if you are going to tamper it, you should try to discuss it with them personally instead of dissecting each one. Try to make one post that umbrellas all of them. Just a tip.

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    • I'm not changing it, it's their mind and i'm not controlling, proving it wrong or right is just statements that can help others see the truth, plus, Mr. stache don't know shit, he's probably following them because they're admins, doesn't always have to be friends. And don't take it personal, Pram, I'm gonna do this to everyone on the demotion block.

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      I'm not changing it, it's their mind and i'm not controlling, proving it wrong or right is just statements that can help others see the truth, plus, Mr. stache don't know shit, he's probably following them because they're admins, doesn't always have to be friends. And don't take it personal, Pram, I'm gonna do this to everyone on the demotion block.

      No no, go ahead man, just try to keep it fair and all. 

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      plus, Mr. stache don't know shit, he's probably following them because they're admins

      Ill point that supposing such things of other members is an huge asshole move and you should try to avoid it

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:

      The Last Paladin wrote:
      Mr.stache65 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - per Fatal and Callie
      k, so this is because Fatal and Callie opposed? Have you no say of your own?

      Also a perfect example of the biased votes I mentioned earlier, because friends are agreeing and decide to not have opposite votes

      Other users can point out stuff, which already speaks their own voice. Prams first post on this thread, Noah's snide comment "You should keep that bitch on a leash", and Noahs "threat" on Facebook (even though he thought they were friends at time, even though if someone rejects a Facebook request it should be a no-brainer). Plus, speaking on the biased side, this whole entire thread is biased. It's like people are brainlessly supporting without actual proof. Noahs proof contradicts himself, and Gertrude. Gertrude is already banned from the chat. Sure, I didn't like how Pram handled the situation at the end of the pm, but it's not something to demote him for. It's something to reprimand him for.

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    • Hey guys, if I may bring up a point?

      Pram is one of the older mods, that I have known, and he knows what to do. Yeah he fucked up, but shit, look at me. I'm still a fucking mod and I've done stupider shit than what Pram has, or at least, what he is being accused for, Hell, do what I did yesterday, since this thread is pretty much getting us no where, make a thread asking what users think about him, and if he should have mod rights reinstated.

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    • Agnerstein wrote:
      Hey guys, if I may bring up a point?

      Pram is one of the older mods, that I have known, and he knows what to do. Yeah he fucked up, but shit, look at me. I'm still a fucking mod and I've done stupider shit than what Pram has, or at least, what he is being accused for, Hell, do what I did yesterday, since this thread is pretty much getting us no where, make a thread asking what users think about him, and if he should have mod rights reinstated.


      The same thing that's going on here will happen.

      Enough said.

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    • Jacket Mike wrote:
      Agnerstein wrote:
      Hey guys, if I may bring up a point?

      Pram is one of the older mods, that I have known, and he knows what to do. Yeah he fucked up, but shit, look at me. I'm still a fucking mod and I've done stupider shit than what Pram has, or at least, what he is being accused for, Hell, do what I did yesterday, since this thread is pretty much getting us no where, make a thread asking what users think about him, and if he should have mod rights reinstated.


      The same thing that's going on here will happen.

      Enough said.

      Well, If they start debating, I would say that they need to calm their shit and keep it more civil than it has been on here. Because all of this? *Waves hands around like an idiot* All of this is getting us no where.

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/
      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.
      I saw no instigation

      "You gonna keep that bitch on a leash?" Yeah, Paladin... totally not instigation. 

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    • It was instigation. I even downright told Noah of this and he even admitted that he never reported the incidents of harassment until the event happened. He has also several times in this thread admitted to instigating it: "... doesn't deserve my respect, even in PM's.." Shall I go on? If anyone is harassing anyone, I hate to say it, but it's the other way around. Noah is harassing Pram.

      If Pram really did something wrong enough to warrant demotion, I wouldn't have trusted him as a temp, nor would I be opposing this thread. I know enough about this situation to know Pram did nothing wrong enough to warrant demotion, and I myself reprimanded him over the mistakes he made, which were all that were warranted.

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    • Agnerstein wrote:
      Hey guys, if I may bring up a point?

      Pram is one of the older mods, that I have known, and he knows what to do. Yeah he fucked up, but shit, look at me. I'm still a fucking mod and I've done stupider shit than what Pram has, or at least, what he is being accused for, Hell, do what I did yesterday, since this thread is pretty much getting us no where, make a thread asking what users think about him, and if he should have mod rights reinstated.

      So what if he's an older mod? Linkstar was one of the first administrators here, did that make him good? .-. 

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    • Temmington wrote:
      Agnerstein wrote:
      Hey guys, if I may bring up a point?

      Pram is one of the older mods, that I have known, and he knows what to do. Yeah he fucked up, but shit, look at me. I'm still a fucking mod and I've done stupider shit than what Pram has, or at least, what he is being accused for, Hell, do what I did yesterday, since this thread is pretty much getting us no where, make a thread asking what users think about him, and if he should have mod rights reinstated.

      So what if he's an older mod? Linkstar was one of the first administrators here, did that make him good? .-. 

      Not what I was implying, but I guess I was being a tad vague. No, because he is an older mod, I would suppose that he would be trusted, no?

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    • The Damn Batman wrote:
      The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/
      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.
      I saw no instigation
      "You gonna keep that bitch on a leash?" Yeah, Paladin... totally not instigation. 

      Not what I meant, instigation towards Gertrud, in terms of that, I saw none, and he let her get away with it once she attacked Noah

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    • The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/
      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.
      I saw no instigation
      "You gonna keep that bitch on a leash?" Yeah, Paladin... totally not instigation. 
      Not what I meant, instigation towards Gertrud, in terms of that, I saw none, and he let her get away with it once she attacked Noah

      But responding with a bitchy comment doesn't really help.

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    • The Damn Batman wrote:
      The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      The Last Paladin wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Temmington wrote:
      The Damn Batman wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Reviewing some of the screen shots makes it seem like it's Pram's girlfriend causing trouble. 
      does that make him excusing her behavior alright then :/
      Again, I haven't seen any of this. Untill I see something I'm not going to change it. Even if Pram was excusing her behavior it was because other people instigated. I still think Pram is a good mod, so keeping this until new evidence is brought up.
      I saw no instigation
      "You gonna keep that bitch on a leash?" Yeah, Paladin... totally not instigation. 
      Not what I meant, instigation towards Gertrud, in terms of that, I saw none, and he let her get away with it once she attacked Noah
      But responding with a bitchy comment doesn't really help.

      Pram should've done something to prevent Noah getting so mad lol

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    • http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:187065

      Tell me more about why we suddenly do demotion threads now.

      "Do not publicly accuse admin or mods of abusing their powers, harassing other users, or complain about their bans or kicks.

      This is not and should not be a public matter. If you have an issue with an admin or a mod, then contact me (cleric) or Sloshedtrain by email to discuss this."

      This was mentioned again in this thread.

      This policy was never changed, and if it was, then it was most certainly not changed where others could actually hear of it. There are three active bureaucrats to choose from. If you honestly think that a mod or admin should be demoted, take it up with them. Now, once again, I am closing this thread on the grounds that:

      • Once again, it was brought into public eye, which is against a rule that was never properly changed nor notification of any change to it brought to the attention of the admins/mods/etc.
      • This thread is enough of a mess it would be close to impossible to tell if it passed or failed after ten days, if it continues at this rate.
      • Even if it doesn't, it's hardly getting any attention worth keeping it open.

      Along with that, I will be discussing with Skelly or Cleric (more likely Cleric) whether Pram should gain his rights back, or whether he will have to reapply to do so.

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