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  • LOLSKELETONS
    LOLSKELETONS closed this thread because:
    23:47, July 3, 2014

    Well. Due to this thread, and the fact that the nightshift wasn't all what it's used to be, I feel as though that there should be another temporary chat shut-down and more moderators being permitted on the site.

    Chat issues are leaking onto the site, and the continuous drama that gives the chat the name "Worst Aspect of CPW" doesn't stop at all. How many issues has there been relating to the chat? Well now tell me now that those links doesn't bring out drama from the chat, onto the main site? Whether it is rule revisions, or some stupid stuff that transfers from one talk-page onto the other, it does bring drama out.

    I also propose that we allow the mod apps to be re-opened for ONLY users who are on in the nighttime/morning time. Such as time from 5:00:00 (UTC) - 12:00:00 (UTC). Since there are only a very small amount of moderators on the chat, and the chat gets obnoxious at that time with users who refuse to listen to the rules, why not allow this?

    All-in-all, leave your votes below.

    Support Support -
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    • Support Support -

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    • Support Support - The last chat shutdown made drama disappear.

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    • FINALLY! SOME SENSE! Each timezone should have a mod of its own.

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    • I Support Support - this. The chat is, while fun and a good way to make friends, super depressing and causes a lot of tears. I'm actually still fuming about this morning (at the time of writing this comment).

      I would try to apply for mod, cause I know I would keep the rules in order (I nearly lost a few friends trying to keep the rules in check the other night), and also I'm on completely during that time frame (especially now in summer) but I can guarantee every single vote would be an oppose. I'm sure everyone hates me here now.

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    • Support Support - I say we go for the full month this time. The success of the last shutdown was incredible.

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    • I think reopening the mod apps isn't such a good idea. Why? Inb4 everyone and their cousin all of the sudden is located in that timezone. So I'm going with Oppose Oppose - on that.

      However, Support Support - for the chat shutdown. I think a lot of people need to detox from this site's chat. It really has just fostered a lot of negativity among users, and no matter how hard we try to stave it off, drama still leaks to the main site.

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    • Support Support -

      Bring all of that in

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    • Support Support - I saw this coming, you brought this on yourselves. Lousy admins, lousy mods are once again reason for this.

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    • The admins have nothing to do with it Zy. Their job lies mainly with the site.

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    • Support Support - We need time to settle after the whole drama surrounding Noah's demotion. I think this is a good time for users to take a break and refresh.

      Neutral Neutral - I also agree on the whole moderator part, but how are we going to make sure they aren't just on in the night time/morning because it's summer? I'd wait a little while before promoting any users to moderator status, because it's kind of soon. I'd open it up again when chat shut down is over.

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    • Zyraииe wrote: Support Support - I saw this coming, you brought this on yourselves. Lousy admins, lousy mods are once again reason for this.

      not the admins fault, bad users and different things in life are the reason, more mods means more order.

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    • Also, Support Support -, for more chat mods (heh) and at least 3 weeks shutdown, maybe a month.

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    • Princess Callie wrote:
      Support Support - I say we go for the full month this time. The success of the last shutdown was incredible.

      How about 3 weeks?

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    • Support Support - I agree we should re-open the moderator requests so we can get new night admins since we currently have Wolfen and Empy, and as another thread shows, Wolfen is usually sleeping.

      Oppose Oppose - the chat shutdown as chat is just as essential to this site as the forums are. It is how we communicate with one another and it is more helpful then the forums are if you want help almost instantly with a problem.

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    • Three weeks seems adequate to me.

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    • ChaoZStrider wrote:

      Oppose Oppose - the chat shutdown as chat is just as essential to this site as the forums are. It is how we communicate with one another and it is more helpful then the forums are if you want help almost instantly with a problem.

      The chat isn't that helpful to the site, the only thing it has been causing for 3 weeks straight is drama.

      Besides, if chat gets shut down again people can freely move to Trollpasta chat. Last time they did drama almost never happened.

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    • Support Support - i think the more time i spend here the more this chat should be shut down

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:
      Three weeks seems adequate to me.

      I'd be more comfortable with a full month tbh.

      edit: Though if everyone else would prefer three weeks, I'm fine with that too.

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    • I think a month is a bit too long, 3 weeks seems fine to me.

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    • Neutral Neutral - I'm not opposing this shut down because there's an actual plan this time. However, one month is indeed too long; two weeks proved to be sufficient time. Additionally, the shutdown should not be implemented until a date in the near future. That way, people have plenty of warning, and those who were penalized for their misbehavior will have received the punishment in full (with the exception of Noah, who was banned indefinitely) before the chat will be inaccessible anyway.

      ¡Vampire Venganza! wrote:

      I would try to apply for mod, cause I know I would keep the rules in order (I nearly lost a few friends trying to keep the rules in check the other night), and also I'm on completely during that time frame (especially now in summer) but I can guarantee every single vote would be an oppose. I'm sure everyone hates me here now.

      No one hates you. The problem was instead of refusing to take part in the mayhem, you spammed right along with everyone else. This is not moderator material.

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    • Likferd wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - I'm not opposing this shut down because there's an actual plan this time. However, one month is indeed too long; two weeks proved to be sufficient time. Additionally, the shutdown should not be implemented until a date in the near future. That way, people have plenty of warning, and those who were penalized for their misbehavior will have received the punishment in full (with the exception of Noah, who was banned indefinitely) before the chat will be inaccessible anyway.

      Well, seeing how this thread requires ten days of voting before being approved or not, I'd say it'd be a good two weeks or so before a shutdown. That should be enough, right?

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:

      Likferd wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - I'm not opposing this shut down because there's an actual plan this time. However, one month is indeed too long; two weeks proved to be sufficient time. Additionally, the shutdown should not be implemented until a date in the near future. That way, people have plenty of warning, and those who were penalized for their misbehavior will have received the punishment in full (with the exception of Noah, who was banned indefinitely) before the chat will be inaccessible anyway.

      Well, seeing how this thread requires ten days of voting before being approved or not, I'd say it'd be a good two weeks or so before a shutdown. That should be enough, right?

      That sounds fair. It's just that some threads have been closed prematurely because a conclusion was reached early on.

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    • Support Support -

      As echoed by other voters, I do feel a month is a bit too lengthy a shutdown. Three weeks sounds a better time because I enjoy using chat and would be affected by the removal of that privelige. However, I do recognize the drama it has caused in recent times, and if a shutdown has proved effective in the past (I am relatively new to this chat and was not involved with the past shutdown) then I support the proposition of another.

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    • I believe I opposed the last one. But I think I'll Support Support - this go around. The last chat shutdown, while it annoyed me at times I had nothing else to do, didn't affect me in the least. Most of us kind of migrated to other chats. I suppose that'll happen this time, too.

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    • Castiel's Nipples wrote:
      I believe I opposed the last one. But I think I'll Support Support - this go around. The last chat shutdown, while it annoyed me at times I had nothing else to do, didn't affect me in the least. Most of us kind of migrated to other chats. I suppose that'll happen this time, too.

      If users are going to migrate to other chats, how will it cease the drama? Do they not cause drama in other chatrooms?

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    • CassistRabbit wrote:
      Castiel's Nipples wrote:
      I believe I opposed the last one. But I think I'll Support Support - this go around. The last chat shutdown, while it annoyed me at times I had nothing else to do, didn't affect me in the least. Most of us kind of migrated to other chats. I suppose that'll happen this time, too.
      If users are going to migrate to other chats, how will it cease the drama? Do they not cause drama in other chatrooms?

      Last time people migrated on trollpasta chat, no drama happened because of the less-strict rules.

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    • If users are going to migrate to other chats, how will it cease the drama? Do they not cause drama in other chatrooms?

      Last time people migrated on trollpasta chat, no drama happened because of the less-strict rules.

      Thank you for pointing that out, Guy.

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    • CassistRabbit wrote:
      If users are going to migrate to other chats, how will it cease the drama? Do they not cause drama in other chatrooms?

      Last time people migrated on trollpasta chat, no drama happened because of the less-strict rules.

      Thank you for pointing that out, Guy.

      it all boils down to the following mentality: "my neighbors problem ain't my problem"

      And yes, I agree some of the rules are kind of overly strict. That being said, I also think a lot of people in this chat are just a bit too immature as well. What I think would help solve a lot of the problems is the implementation of an "Ignore user" option. 

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    • Booboofinger wrote:
      What I think would help solve a lot of the problems is the implementation of an "Ignore user" option. 

      I believe putting this code:

      li[data-user="USERNAME"] { 
      display:none; 
      }

      in your chat.css achieves the same effect.

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    • Neutral Neutral - From what I've seen, chat doesn't need another shutdown. Then again, I wasn't here for Noah's demotion.

      Support Support - For obvious reasons.

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    • Mystreve wrote: I think reopening the mod apps isn't such a good idea. Why? Inb4 everyone and their cousin all of the sudden is located in that timezone. So I'm going with Oppose Oppose - on that.

      Let me tell you why that's bullshit on not allowing to re-open the mod apps for that time period. Pretty much, MOST of the users on the chat at that time period are obnoxious little shits. They complain about getting kicked for caps abuse, after me or Bitter -- pretty much the only mods on that time period, mostly me though -- respond with numerous warnings on this.

      Rather having numerous of people apply, why not we just hold up an election for who will be a good mod for this time. How will this work? Rather than having one bureaucrat be the be all, end all on all of this, why not we have the administration/moderators that want to go through the hassle to round up good mod candidates for this time period. There's two users that I find fitting to be good mod candidates, since they're on. Why, one user (who is a candidate) actually pmed me a current situation for me to handle. Edit count? I say that we fuck the criteria of edits, because I'm sick and tired of dealing with a cancerous chat.

      Princess Callie wrote: Support Support - I say we go for the full month this time. The success of the last shutdown was incredible.

      While other users will disagree, I agree with the whole month situation. Not because of my previous "ugh. chat is so cancerous. i dont wanna mod this piece of cancerous shit." (definitely not that reason; I, mostly, love my job and the people that I get to help out with). But it can actually benefit for the site, as well as Trollpasta. During the first chat shut-down, most of the people just moved to Trollpasta's chat. I actually had fun being on that chat, seeing all the familiar faces obeying the rules there (since the rules there are just common sense rules). So, I'm up for a month, and will do my part for all three sites.

      ChaoZStrider wrote: Oppose Oppose - the chat shutdown as chat is just as essential to this site as the forums are. It is how we communicate with one another and it is more helpful then the forums are if you want help almost instantly with a problem.

      As Skelly has said, and others can agree to this: "The chat is the worst aspect to this site." I believe the forums are a better way of communication, rather than the chat. Echoing SG's words, it's been nothing but constant drama. You can see how obnoxious the users can get, while the moderators do their job. I tried to calm everyone down, and requested proof of screencaps while some "spammer" came onto the chat, while I can agree with Bitter that there wasn't a spammer, because no-one really responded to my pm's with actual proof of the incident. I believe no one actually helps other users with situations, other than the moderating admins and myself. Although I did see some critique going on the other day, while the user didn't take the criticism and left.

      And I'm not even going to respond to Zy's comment, since Callie had responded it so perfectly. It's not the admins job to watch the chat, but the moderators

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    • fuck u all lel

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    • Support Support - Last time this happened the site was so peaceful and we were actually making progress towards bettering the site (first time in a long, long, long time.

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    • Support Support - Yes, please.

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    • The Damn Batman
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      20:29, June 28, 2014
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    • Can I make a suggestion? I think we should try and make a to-do list of sorts to try and mazimize the effort put into the site. Since some users on the chat don't usually edit, maybe giving them specific jobs, or emphasizing on the things that need to be fixed would help the site. Last time we weren't organized, so maybe this time if we were, it might help a bit. Not saying we have to do this, but it was just an idea I had. 

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    • Neutral Neutral - You can do what you want. In my opinion, this whole plan is only going to fix 50/80 of the problems here.

      "The wiki's administration is way too corrupted, even the bureaucrats can't fix it."

      - Ahri Chan

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    • Neutral Neutral - The problems of a community chat can't simply be resolved with a shutdown, but if it eases the pain a little bit, why don't you go ahead, 

      The last month I have spent here has been really offensive and dramatic, which is unavoidable in a community chat full of living breathing humans, (mostly teens.) 

      There are many instances in which no mods or admins are present.

      So I Support Support - the idea of bringing mods from different time zones.

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    • The Damn Batman wrote: Can I make a suggestion? I think we should try and make a to-do list of sorts to try and mazimize the effort put into the site. Since some users on the chat don't usually edit, maybe giving them specific jobs, or emphasizing on the things that need to be fixed would help the site. Last time we weren't organized, so maybe this time if we were, it might help a bit. Not saying we have to do this, but it was just an idea I had. 

      It'll probably be a massive shit-fuck. That's what had happened when Callie proposed this situation the last time, and that got people opposing the chat shut-down. That's why I didn't propose that users should edit during this, but it is suggested if they're bored.

      MC Metamorphike wrote: Neutral Neutral - You can do what you want. In my opinion, this whole plan is only going to fix 50/80 of the problems here.

      "The wiki's administration is way too corrupted, even the bureaucrats can't fix it."

      - Ahri Chan

      To me, the administration is not really corrupt. If anything at all, it should be the users who do not follow regulations around the site, and the users who do not listen very well to ANYTHING the administration offers. Offer them critique or a reason why their article was deleted, "MY PASTA IS BETTER THAN FUCKING PSYCHOSIS. YOU DO NOT HAVE THE DAMN PRIVILEGE TO DELETE SOMETHING THAT I WROTE THAT MY PARENTS LIKED!"

      A great example of this is the chat. Certain users have caused so much drama about mods kicking them for "nothing", but the mods have given them numerous warnings about not to do this thing. It has gotten to the point that we get pissed off that we kick troublemakers from time to time, that they still do not understand these warnings and they receive a ban. After the ban, and the reason of the ban on the ban log (or the message on their talk page, which I am the only that does that), they still bitch about their ban.

      So don't blame it on the moderators or admins for not doing their job in the chat -- where it's not the admin's job to moderate the chat, but it is an option though -- blame it on the users who refuse to listen.

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    • Support Support - both of these points.

      On a side note, I have been saying we have a problem with timezones for over a year now, why the EVERLOVING FUCK are people just noticing now?!

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    • SOMEGUY123
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    • Support Support - I cannot express how much both of these are needed

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    • Support Support - the chat shut down is a really good idea while its not the best option but it is good and i would like to address one issue: I was on the chat last night and wolfen and quality control were the only people making sure we did not break the rules and wolfen is a mod and QC is an admin but we were kinda under-staffed last night, i wish there would be more mods on this website but what are you going to do about it huh? And have a happy and safe 4th of July.

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    • Support Support -  If it isn't for too long. 

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