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  • I've been thinking on this idea for a bit. I'm personally neutral to it. I'm proposing that the adminstrative staff of the wiki have a collective email that all admins have access to. There are several things I can see as pros and cons.

    Pros:

    • Need to contact the staff anonymously or privately? Email would be one of the better ways.
    • It offers a back and forth way of providing answers to user questions.
    • It would ensure that anyone who uses it would get a generally correct answer, since the email is in the hands of the admins - troublesome or newer users who may not know how the wiki works wouldn't answer the emails as they can on the forums. This very rarely happens, though. However, this insures that the people who best know their way around are the ones answering questions.
    • It allows for another venue of Block appeals.

    Cons:

    • Users may be hesitant due to the involvement of their own email address. This being noted, sending email would be entirely optional.
    • Administrator promotion and demotion would ineptly make the password to said email largely dynamic. A demoted admin wouldn't be allowed to access the email anymore, thus requiring the password be changed.
    • The admins would need to agree on a host email site - different email preferences (gmail, hotmail, yahoo, etc) may result in some difficulty getting the email up and running if it can't be decided which has the best benefits.
    • Lack of a paper trail. Wikia is built generally on paper trails and the ability to find records. A private email record accessible only by admins and the users who send emails eliminates this.

    So, feel free to throw this idea around. I personally am very neutral and don't think it's a bad or good idea.

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    • Irishninja0 wrote:
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      G4T0R4D3xEN3RGY wrote:
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      Please leave reasons behind your votes.

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    • Neutral Neutral -While I do think it's not a bad idea (and this is used in many places outside this place), I don't think many people use E-Mail as a way to talk anymore. It seems to be quite.. primitive.

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    • Support Support - This'll be good for those who wish for their messages to stay private, unrecorded on wikia or do not use chat or is having issues accessing it.

      As for the email, all admins should record the email somewhere. Once its changed double check that it works using incognito window. When making the password, what I've done is type it in the URL bar once i clear it, copy it then paste that into the password section. Then what I do is write it down in my password journal so that I can find it later when I need it. Also, shouldn't there be a secret password thing somewhere just in case? And the shared account should be attached to another email so you can use it to reset your password in case its forgotten.

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    • Irishninja0 wrote:
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      Y?

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    • Support Support - Sounds alright to me, even though I'm not an admin lol

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    • ScrewYouDinkleberg wrote:
      Neutral Neutral -While I do think it's not a bad idea (and this is used in many places outside this place), I don't think many people use E-Mail as a way to talk anymore. It seems to be quite.. primitive.

      I'll be damned if I find someone who doesn't actually use their email, or even has one.

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    • Neutral Neutral - This could work, and while it's a good idea to have more than one way of contacting someone, we do already have two ways to do so on this site: talk pages and the chatroom.

      I'd just like to point out that I happened to lose access to my own email a few months ago and had to make a new one. This problem might come up again, because I didn't forget my password or anything- I had to enter in a "security code" that I never got. (This was with my hotmail account.) If an admin has to change their email, this will disrupt he system.

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    • Maulle wrote:
      ScrewYouDinkleberg wrote:
      Neutral Neutral -While I do think it's not a bad idea (and this is used in many places outside this place), I don't think many people use E-Mail as a way to talk anymore. It seems to be quite.. primitive.
      I'll be damned if I find someone who doesn't actually use their email, or even has one.

      This.

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    • CassistRabbit wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - This could work, and while it's a good idea to have more than one way of contacting someone, we do already have two ways to do so on this site: talk pages and the chatroom.

      I'd just like to point out that I happened to lose access to my own email a few months ago and had to make a new one. This problem might come up again, because I didn't forget my password or anything- I had to enter in a "security code" that I never got. (This was with my hotmail account.) If an admin has to change their email, this will disrupt he system.


      This is for a single collective email. EG CreepypastaWikiStaff@hotmail.com or CreepypastaAdministration@gmail.com, etc. A single solid email may also give us venues to create accounts as an administration on other sites such as Youtube and the like, where we could do advertising for the Wikia.

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    • Steam Phoenix wrote:
      CassistRabbit wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - This could work, and while it's a good idea to have more than one way of contacting someone, we do already have two ways to do so on this site: talk pages and the chatroom.

      I'd just like to point out that I happened to lose access to my own email a few months ago and had to make a new one. This problem might come up again, because I didn't forget my password or anything- I had to enter in a "security code" that I never got. (This was with my hotmail account.) If an admin has to change their email, this will disrupt he system.


      This is for a single collective email. EG CreepypastaWikiStaff@hotmail.com or CreepypastaAdministration@gmail.com, etc. A single solid email may also give us venues to create accounts as an administration on other sites such as Youtube and the like, where we could do advertising for the Wikia.

      Well, now this sounds like a better plan. I'll now Support Support - this.

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    • Oppose Oppose - - While it is a unique suggestion, what would happen if someone was demoted and still had access to the e-mail? In theory, you would have to change it every time this would happen, and what about the chances of an admin secretly giving away the password to other users? Sounds like a big risk to me.

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    • Support Support -

      Also Zmario, I think all Administrators and Bureucrats enlisted in the present are reliable and will know to not to do that

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote: Support Support -

      Also Zmario, I think all Administrators and Bureucrats enlisted in the present are reliable and will know to not to do that

      It's only a hypothetical situation, but not one that's unrealistic. Just because you have reliable admins now, doesn't mean there will ALWAYS be reliable ones.

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    • Oppose Oppose - Honestly, you guys got the chat for discussion now. If you guys can't get chat hacks, but want an admin meeting, then there's w:c:cpn:Special:Chat for it. You don't really need that wiki to be scraped or cleaned to use the chat or the site over there. Just wait patiently for people to arrive. We also have talk pages for users to ask an admin to talk privately on the chat here. If they're banned? Then ask the user an alternative way to this stuff (aka the CPN wiki, since the wiki was made for that, with or without a clean up).

      The pros are easy. What's the bitch about this proposal is the cons, which is why I am opposing this proposal. It's not like the first time back in February and staff were forced to give out their emails and if they refuse they're demoted from their right. Someone in the staff may not like to give out that personal information, and it can be a bitch just getting contact from them. Plus with the password change with the sites personal email and it's a big wiki, chances are that this password change is going to happen a lot.

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    • Fatal Disease wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - Honestly, you guys got the chat for discussion now. If you guys can't get chat hacks, but want an admin meeting, then there's w:c:cpn:Special:Chat for it. You don't really need that wiki to be scraped or cleaned to use the chat or the site over there. Just wait patiently for people to arrive. We also have talk pages for users to ask an admin to talk privately on the chat here. If they're banned? Then ask the user an alternative way to this stuff (aka the CPN wiki, since the wiki was made for that, with or without a clean up).

      The pros are easy. What's the bitch about this proposal is the cons, which is why I am opposing this proposal. It's not like the first time back in February and staff were forced to give out their emails and if they refuse they're demoted from their right. Someone in the staff may not like to give out that personal information, and it can be a bitch just getting contact from them. Plus with the password change with the sites personal email and it's a big wiki, chances are that this password change is going to happen a lot.


      This is not about admins giving out their emails. Just because we have venues doesn't necessarily mean we shouldn't have other venues to use as well. This is for a sole collective email, and though listed as a con, I have to say I don't see it getting changed a large amount considering that staff members are very rarely demoted.

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    • Neutral Neutral - Sounds like a solid idea, but the cons are also in the way too. We do need to find a way where admins could contact offsite. The Wikia chat I find too unreliable and rather messy to organize a meeting. I prefer to contact other mods in Skype, but some admins don't have Skype or don't prefer it. I want to see a more detailed plan on how we are enacting this and its functionally.

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    • True on that, but an email can be the very same thing as a talk page; it can get ignored by the admin by other mail or filled with spam by a user who is pissed. And here's a question that I should ask: what would happen if an admin on this site gets harassed offsite on their email? Since I do know that offsite drama, other than threats of vandalism and socking, doesn't get considered as a punishment here (ex. "You should go kill yourself," on an admin's facebook). Will this be the only exception to this rule on the emails? If so, then I think that all offsite harassment should be accounted for on here, rather than just the emails of these users.

      And just because that you guys have other venues doesn't mean that some of you use them properly, so why do you think that this might work as a secondary source? Some of you guys ignore questions on your talk pages because you're tired of talking about the topic with the same person, or that it's simple requests that a person wants permission on. Most of these messages are ignored for days, maybe weeks. The only good thing that I see about this is talking about other blocks with the blocking admin. But there's other sources for that that doesn't make an admin cough up their email or making a gmail account for CPW.

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    • Neutral Neutral - kind of leaning on oppose. While not a bad idea, I still think this whole "the admins need to get together now because the world's falling apart!" thing is getting blown out of proportion. Sure, we should have admin pow-wows every so often, but I'm still trying to wrap my head around why such a stink is being made about it now.

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    • Mystreve wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around why such a stink is being made about it now.

      Apparently people haven't seen what a wiki in disorder actually looks like.

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    • Likferd wrote:

      Mystreve wrote: I'm still trying to wrap my head around why such a stink is being made about it now.

      Apparently people haven't seen what a wiki in disorder actually looks like.

      It's inevitable to have a degree of some disorder on a site with so much material and so many users, Bitter. Material can be controlled. People with differing opinions are an intangible reality of everyday life though.

      Anyway, my point is that a compromise between Callie and Cleric was made via that thread. The problem was resolved. Maybe how they got there was sloppy, but they got there.

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    • Obviously. My point was the site today is quite different from how the site was in 2010 or 2011.

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    • Sloshedtrain wrote:
      Neutral Neutral - Sounds like a solid idea, but the cons are also in the way too. We do need to find a way where admins could contact offsite. The Wikia chat I find too unreliable and rather messy to organize a meeting. I prefer to contact other mods in Skype, but some admins don't have Skype or don't prefer it. I want to see a more detailed plan on how we are enacting this and its functionally.

      Contact through personal email? People use yahoo, hotmail and gmail alot. I'd say use em all. If they can skype, then skype. If they have email, then email. 

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    • Oppose Oppose - I honestly don't see much point to doing this.  There are plenty of other avenues of communication if people need to talk to admins, such as talk pages and the like. This E-mail thing just seems like a lot of messing around to me.

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    • Another problem with this is that it's not just a matter of users sending an e-mail. We have to then confirm it's them. It's an abusable system. Someone sends an e-mail saying, "Hey, perma-ban me, I'm whoever," but they're not who they say they are.

      Confirmation could be simple. It could be posting on an admin's talk page, going, "It's me." However, at that point, the process is very slow and unweidly.

      That's not a problem for simple questions, but I don't see many people using the e-mail for that purpose. Most people will simply ask on the site.

      What the e-mail would probably be used for is sending abuse to admins anonymously.

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    • Hm, Guy has a point there.

      Neutral Neutral -

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    • I'm not sure if it's necessary to say, but to answer Sloshed; the reason I haven't come up with a detailed plan on implementing it is because I'm neutral to the idea myself - I want to see if this would be a good or bad idea before we go through with anything.

      Guy has a point, as do certain other opposes, but so do the few supports and neutrals. To be fair, I've only answered opposes, but that's largely because I wasn't quite sure if they knew what I was getting at and also to say that having more than just Wikia venues for communication might be a good idea. In all honesty, this has nothing to do with communication between admins, it has to do with bettering communication between the community as a whole. I'm simply trying to make sure we can try all possible venues and have the smoothest methods available at our disposal.

      Streve, the thing is, understand I'm not trying to blow the whole "admin communication" thing out of proportion. But I do see problems in the current way we mainly communicate (Cleric and I battling over the community's opinion about Jeff for example: As it turns out, during our compromise, we both found fatal flaws in both polls and forum voting as ways to determine what the community's stance on something is. I'm currently trying to allocate alternate methods to get the best possible way of determining a community majority.) My point is, before the ideas of demotion threads and all that came up, we should've been smart enough to go to each other and attempt to resolve the problem first. The fact that admin tussles like this have happened several times in the past represents a problem that I believe needs to be sorted out.

      Although, I'm not sure as to how to answer Guy's points effectively, I think we could have an established rule system as to what should and shouldn't be sent via email could help (for example, perma bans - talk pages. Technical issues (like the abuse filter) can go to email.)

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    • It's kind of dangerous to give out emails to everyone, isn't it? But if it's shared thru admins only who completely trust eachother, then I'm all for it.

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    • The Koromo wrote:
      It's kind of dangerous to give out emails to everyone, isn't it? But if it's shared thru admins only who completely trust eachother, then I'm all for it.

      That's not the idea. The idea is for a single email adress shared by the administration.

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    • Oh, I get it now. Yeah, I support that.

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