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  • EmpyrealInvective
    EmpyrealInvective closed this thread because:
    This should really be a proposal thread as it could drastically influence chat and from the admins/b-crats I've talked to, no one seems aware of this project. (Nor have they endorsed it)
    00:32, October 4, 2014

    Starting October 10th, the CRIG (Chat Records and Incrimination Group) is going to be active. The goal of this user-driven group is to monitor chat as much as possible, recording rule breaking, odd behavior, etc.

    While we do have logs (I think) and the Contribution history, those are far less detailed, I think, than they should be. CRIG intends to rectify that by taking data on user actions as they happen, rather than listing a reason for banning. This will make arguments on bans much more fluid, and allow greater civility in chat.

    Please note that CRIG does NOT have the power to ban. The only thing that they do is monitor and alert if need be, and make sure reports are logged into a private data folder for mods and admins to review.

    We are currently looking for seven new members before the 10th. If you wish to join, please private message me on Chat with the following:

    1. The times you are available. We wish to cover the entire 24-hour spectrum.

    2. Your past experiences in chat. Why do you want to join?

    3. Any social media you are available on. While we prefer Skype, we are willing to also use Facebook, Twitter, etc. Please contact me in a PM to give your Skype name.

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    • Doesn't this encourage minimodding?

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    • 1. Usually around 8-10 EDT, to abbout 9 EDT if i feel like it. definetly til 2 EDT.

      2.I want to join to actually make the chat a better place to discuss creepypastas and other things without having meaningless banter. Basically, I want to see more legitimate conversations in the chat.

      3. I am able to use Facebook and
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      Steam (If needed as an alernative)
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    • Likferd wrote:
      Doesn't this encourage minimodding?


      Not at all. The CRIG is a neutral group, simply recording events as they happen. Minimodding is not allowed.

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    • Woverniox wrote:
      *Application*

      Accepted. Six slots open.

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    • Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Likferd wrote:
      Doesn't this encourage minimodding?


      Not at all. The CRIG is a neutral group, simply recording events as they happen. Minimodding is not allowed.

      But didn't the OP say it's CRIG's responsibility to alert people as well as record events? If you mean alert moderators, you should make that a little more clear to avoid confusion.

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    • Likferd wrote:

      Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Likferd wrote:
      Doesn't this encourage minimodding?

      Not at all. The CRIG is a neutral group, simply recording events as they happen. Minimodding is not allowed.

      But didn't the OP say it's CRIG's responsibility to alert people as well as record events? If I've misunderstood the meaning of "alert," can you clarify what is meant?

      To 'alert' means to inform a mod or admin of a rule being broken. Minimodding refers to taking the matters into your hands, personally, and enforcing those broken rules.

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    • Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Likferd wrote:

      Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Likferd wrote:
      Doesn't this encourage minimodding?

      Not at all. The CRIG is a neutral group, simply recording events as they happen. Minimodding is not allowed.

      But didn't the OP say it's CRIG's responsibility to alert people as well as record events? If I've misunderstood the meaning of "alert," can you clarify what is meant?

      To 'alert' means to inform a mod or admin of a rule being broken. Minimodding refers to taking the matters into your hands, personally, and enforcing those broken rules.

      If the only purpose of CRIG is to record events and report any concerns to moderators, I suppose it could be useful. However, it's worth considering most misbehavior occurs when moderators aren't online. I imagine the case would be similar with CRIG members. I suggest having applicants send you a private message in the chat as opposed to posting it on the thread. After all seven members have been selected, private message each moderator.

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    • Likferd wrote:

      Duly noted. The intention is that CRIG members are able to record actions with evidence at all times in order to not only hold them, but refer them to administration as well in the event of future incidents.

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    • I'll join the CRIG group! 

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    • OMG chat logger is back >.>

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    • Shining-Armor wrote:
      OMG chat logger is back >.>

      CRIG is meant to do more than what Chat Logger can. Can CL track PM's? Store images? Maintain a sense of unity in the community? Don't think so.

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    • Well... I find it pointless, really.

      Why have a group of people to watch the chat when we have a good number of MODERATORS.

      What I'm getting from this thread is that you think that Streve and the administration didn't do a great job in picking who should be a mod, so a fake group right could be created. People have lives, and don't you think that this will fail because the user that you or anyone appoint is busy and can't keep track of the chat?

      Plus we have Jesse back, so we don't need this right.

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    • Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Shining-Armor wrote:
      OMG chat logger is back >.>

      CRIG is meant to do more than what Chat Logger can. Can CL track PM's? Store images? Maintain a sense of unity in the community? Don't think so.

      1. Why would it need to track PM's? They are PRIVATE for a reason.
      2. Why would it need to store images (although yes it could if it needed to)
      3. Creating a group of users to "monitor" others =/= maintain a sense of unity.
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    • Fatal Disease wrote:
      Well... I find it pointless, really.

      Why have a group of people to watch the chat when we have a good number of MODERATORS.

      What I'm getting from this thread is that you think that Streve and the administration didn't do a great job in picking who should be a mod, so a fake group right could be created. People have lives, and don't you think that this will fail because the user that you or anyone appoint is busy and can't keep track of the chat?

      Plus we have Jesse back, so we don't need this right.

      Agreed. 

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    • Why could this "group" be trusted with screenshots any more than any other regular user?

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    • Nihilus Nix Naught wrote:
      Why could this "group" be trusted with screenshots any more than any other regular user?


      Because they aren't actively using them for anything. Just holding them in case they are needed.

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    • Another thing I like to mention is that announcing a group/right without a community/bureaucrat discretion is against your privilege as a user here.

      You have a voice on this site, but saying "OH, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE A GROUP WITHOUT PEOPLE'S VIEW ON IT VIA FORUMS!" is against the rules for you, the user, to make that call.

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    • Fatal Disease wrote:
      Another thing I like to mention is that announcing a group/right without a community/bureaucrat discretion is against your privilege as a user here.

      You have a voice on this site, but saying "OH, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE A GROUP WITHOUT PEOPLE'S VIEW ON IT VIA FORUMS!" is against the rules for you, the user, to make that call.

      This is a community group, and we already have mods has members. Many of the staff seem to be fine with it.

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    • Wolfenmaus wrote:

      Fatal Disease wrote:
      Another thing I like to mention is that announcing a group/right without a community/bureaucrat discretion is against your privilege as a user here.

      You have a voice on this site, but saying "OH, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE A GROUP WITHOUT PEOPLE'S VIEW ON IT VIA FORUMS!" is against the rules for you, the user, to make that call.

      This is a community group, and we already have mods has members. Many of the staff seem to be fine with it.

      And a community group still needs to have a community discretion to be permitted. Since it is a community group after all.

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    • Wolfenmaus wrote:
      Fatal Disease wrote:
      Another thing I like to mention is that announcing a group/right without a community/bureaucrat discretion is against your privilege as a user here.

      You have a voice on this site, but saying "OH, I'M GONNA ANNOUNCE A GROUP WITHOUT PEOPLE'S VIEW ON IT VIA FORUMS!" is against the rules for you, the user, to make that call.

      This is a community group, and we already have mods has members. Many of the staff seem to be fine with it.


      >implying many of the Staff knew about it

      I just now heard of this today, and to me it's a completely unnecessary thing.

      If you want to monitor chat and report to mods, good. That's kind of your, uh, you know, duty. What you're supposed to do as a user. There's no need to start a group or have some special badge for it.

      I also don't like the idea that we are now for some reason tracking PMs. Per Maria, they're private for a reason. If anything that calls for action goes on in PM, it is the receiving user's responsibility to block them and report their misbehavior to an administrator or chat mod.

      There is nothing that this group would be allowed to do that a normal user shouldn't be doing already. And also, "community group" or no, before we decide to start big operations, how about a proposal to make sure everyone actually hears about it and has the ability to state their own opinion?

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    • Irishninja0
      Irishninja0 removed this reply because:
      Its my own comment and I do not share the same opinion I did before hand. I now have a better idea of what this was all about and I'm against it now.
      20:33, October 28, 2014
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    • I don't see a need for this. At all.

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    • I feel that this is an invasion of privacy. I do not support this.

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    • You lost me at tracking PMs. All users have the option to block PMs and report to an admin if/when someone is harssing them.

      I know because this happened to me before. A user was harassing me through PMs, and I told a mod about it, who passed the information to an admin and the offender was banned shortly after because I saved a log of the conversation.

      If someone IS engaging in inappropriate conduct through private messages, the user needs to do the following to solve the problem.

      1. Take screencaps or save a log.

      2. Block private messages from the offender.

      3. Talk to a moderator or administrator about banning the offender if they seem likely to continue harassing others.

      With this out of the way, I object completely to having PRIVATE messages tracked. We already have enough moderators for the chat and this idea is pointless. If there is a problem in chat that slips by the mods, any user can notify them as long as they have some evidence- which it is already their own responsibility to do.

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    • I agree with Smarty, Streve, and Callie. This seems completely unnecessary and you guys should not be allowed to Track PMS at all. Those are private for a reason. We don't need a mini version of the fucking NSA in chat. 

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    • Oppose Oppose - the ever loving shit out of this. Mods have jobs for a reason.

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    • I think instead of announcing it to the community, this thread should be closed and a new one should be opened that is a proposal for this very thing. Don't try to go around policy.

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