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    07:18, June 30, 2015

    That's a legitimately good question in my honest opinion. To answer this, I'm going to look at a few things. How the three wikis of the network actually mesh together, the content and goals of each site, the activity of users on each site, what these sites actually seem to be, opinions and observations I've made of each site, and the activity of the sites.

    First off, there's this one. The father wiki. CPW. The activity is fairly mild. Generally, it's cared for as well as it needs to be, and lives largely up to its goal.

    Now let's move on. There's Spinpasta. Now, I'm a bureaucrat on Spinpasta. Been so for about... 2 years, give or take? 1 and a half? The activity on that site is actually relatively slow in terms of what users do on site. It's mainly used for its chat, since CPWC is and has been gone for awhile. As far as the pages and content, about 1/5 of them are actually quality pages. The goal of the site is for spin-off pastas and fanfictions, and some of my works are there. But again, a large majority of people are on chat, with the exception of passerbys. Even Cleric has the opinion of Spinpasta basically being for shitty fanfiction. As far as I go, I'm kind of mixed on feelings with it.

    Then there's.... Trollpasta. Oh lord. Now, I used to be an admin there as well. That said. The activity on site is fast, but let's look at the opinions of the site: My observation is that it's a site full of what basically amount to shitty spam pages and very few actual parodies of creepypasta. These have earned the collective name "Horrible Troll Pastas", but in truth, I think the idea of trollpastas has been kind of lost. Nowadays, it's mainly used as either a place to put some kind of short spam page or just as a dumping ground for the terrible of the terrible from here. In addition, with Skelly mostly absent, some users have actually gone as far as RAIDING OTHER SITES for the lulz and basically living up to... well, half of its name.

    Now, let's look at how the three wikis mesh together as a network: To be honest, they don't. They're a network in name alone, with very little if any collaboration between the three. It's a network MAYBE fifty percent of the time, and that's usually just to network-wide ban someone (despite the Blocking Policy forbidding that unless they've actually committed an offense across all three wikis). The three sites share collectively MAYBE ten or twenty users altogether. They mesh as far as goals, having a separate site for each type of pasta, but generally they don't mesh as an actual network. If there's going to be affiliated wikis, why not affiliate the site with wikis that are active, preservational of their original goals, and don't have bad opinions of each other? If there's going to be a network, maybe it should work together as a collective network, rather than just in name alone.

    In other words, I think that the CPW network should simply become Creepypasta, Spinpasta, and Trollpasta. If there need to be affiliated wikis, let's make a short list of wikis that would agree to affiliating with us and sharing common goals that would benefit all sites involved. What do you guys think?

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    Since it's been brought up, I should probably explain why I think that trying to further integrate the sites wouldn't really work to solve the problems going on.

    For starters, let's begin with Trollpasta. The users there have little to no moderation. As Empy pointed out, enforcing strict rules there would probably be counter-intuitive. But on the same level, who would actually be both willing and able to do so? Particularly when one of the crats there has... actually been involved in raids and trolling against other sites. It wouldn't be well recieved in the first place.

    As far as Spinpasta, there's not a lot of people actually interested in spin-offs. If it were to actually manage to build a good community of site-concentrated people, it would have to be people who were actually interested enough to be dedicated to the site, rather than just being loose volunteers from here. It needs people who are willing to constantly contribute new content, and to be quite honest, that's... rather lacking.

    In addition, let me get myself straight. I'm not just saying we should disband the network. I think that if we are going to have a network structure, it would benefit us to expand and find and make new ties, and it would benefit us to sever ties from a site that effectively amounts to the 4chan of Wikia and a basically inactive site. Trying to integrate it more without a common administration across all three sites just doesn't seem plausible, considering who the administrators on each one are.

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    • Comment - Shouldn't this be posted at all three wikis, not just here? I can understand what you're saying, but making a decision on this without the other two being involved seems unfair to me.

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      While we're pretty set apart from the other wikis, there is still quite a bit of bleed-over between the sites. (We send troll pastas and spinoff pastas to their respective sites and they have been known to report users who are planning raids and I encourage users who are going to try a SA to post to SPW first for feedback.) I know SPW has had some issues with regulation (when I last checked), but I feel like if we sever those ties, it really isn't going to improve the situation over there any. We could enforce stricter rules over there and try to weed out stories and increase the overall quality of the site. If need be, I can pop over there every once in a while to do QC, but I think that might not be well-received.

      As for troll pasta, to be honest, I haven't visited that site for a few months and I can't vouch for how bad it has gotten, but the notifications I received that I just read, it seems like the situation is dire. Unfortunately I really can't think of any ways to solve the issues (as enforcing stricter rules on on site that features troll pastas seems counter-intuitive.).

      In the end, I don't really see much point in cutting connections to the other wikis. It wouldn't really help the other sister sites and wouldn't really benefit this wiki any. (Other than maybe preventing blowback if Staff has to shut down the TPW for raiding other wikis.) It seems like it would just split up the CP network and remove some of the structure we had.

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    • EmpyrealInvective wrote:
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      While we're pretty set apart from the other wikis, there is still quite a bit of bleed-over between the sites. (We send troll pastas and spinoff pastas to their respective sites and they have been known to report users who are planning raids and I encourage users who are going to try a SA to post to SPW first for feedback.) I know SPW has had some issues with regulation (when I last checked), but I feel like if we sever those ties, it really isn't going to improve the situation over there any. We could enforce stricter rules over there and try to weed out stories and increase the overall quality of the site. If need be, I can pop over there every once in a while to do QC, but I think that might not be well-received.

      As for troll pasta, to be honest, I haven't visited that site for a few months and I can't vouch for how bad it has gotten, but the notifications I received that I just read, it seems like the situation is dire. Unfortunately I really can't think of any ways to solve the issues (as enforcing stricter rules on on site that features troll pastas seems counter-intuitive.).

      In the end, I don't really see much point in cutting connections to the other wikis. It wouldn't really help the other sister sites and wouldn't really benefit this wiki any. (Other than maybe preventing blowback if Staff has to shut down the TPW for raiding other wikis.) It seems like it would just split up the CP network and remove some of the structure we had.

      Actually, it would help if someone did QC over there, but it wouldn't help that much. It would literally just put more things on your plate to do, and that's largely because the site only gets used to chat anymore. Not many users actually get a lot of feedback there on their stories, partially because there aren't many active admins. Only one really helps on site - but the crat who is active spends most of her time on chat and doing chat-related things. To sever ties wouldn't improve the situation, but it would take quite the bit more effort to actually successfully reconstruct the site than is worth it. It would actually probably kill the site more to shut down its chat, and it's still not that active. For it to actually be salvageable, it would take a community that is actually willing to participate, and that's something that SPW doesn't really have.

      Trollpasta is literally out of control. To be quite honest, it would be in the best interest of this site to sever it from the network. It's a guilty-by-affiliation bias.

      Users from this site could still post on the other wikis. We are simply getting rid of the affiliation we have with them officially. Honestly, we should be looking into actually crafting a network of sites that share similar goals without nigh-irreparable situations. We should be building a network community. It would probably offer better structure and benefit to sever ties with Spinpasta (which has lost a lot of purpose, tbh) and Trollpasta (for which the situation is very grim as far as behavior is concerned) and create ties with new wikis and active wikis with better rule enforcement and maturity. In fact, I could probably contact a few people from other story wikis and ask if they would be willing to affiliate with us, and I'm more than willing to affiliate this site with CPW as well.

      At the very least, we should concentrate on building a collaborative network with more than just these three wikis and stabilizing it if we're not going sever ties and start from scratch. I personally believe the latter is the better option.

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    • Underscorre wrote:
      Comment - Shouldn't this be posted at all three wikis, not just here? I can understand what you're saying, but making a decision on this without the other two being involved seems unfair to me.

      I want to see what is said here first, to be honest.

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      Any ties between the sites are loose and the sites would benefit by being more integrated.

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    • There never really was an "official" CPW network. At one point there was some links to other sites on the main page, and even those have long since been removed. So this thread seems pretty pointless to me.

      Senjumaru Shutara wrote:
      In addition, with Skelly mostly absent, some users have actually gone as far as RAIDING OTHER SITES for the lulz and basically living up to... well, half of its name.

      If you see this happening, you absolutely need to report it to me. I still check my talk page and forum notifications at least a couple of times a week so it's not like I'm not going to see it.

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    • LOLSKELETONS wrote:
      There never really was an "official" CPW network. At one point there was some links to other sites on the main page, and even those have long since been removed. So this thread seems pretty pointless to me.

      Senjumaru Shutara wrote:
      In addition, with Skelly mostly absent, some users have actually gone as far as RAIDING OTHER SITES for the lulz and basically living up to... well, half of its name.

      If you see this happening, you absolutely need to report it to me. I still check my talk page and forum notifications at least a couple of times a week so it's not like I'm not going to see it.

      http://trollpasta.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LOLSKELETONS#A_Problem

      I do remember posting that on the subject. That was a while back, but another thing I've heard is that they have this secret raiding wiki, apparently. I've been doing my best to hunt it down, but I've had very little luck.

      After you didn't get back to me, I assumed you were too busy to deal with it or too inactive to have seen it.

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    • Senjumaru Shutara wrote:

      LOLSKELETONS wrote:
      There never really was an "official" CPW network. At one point there was some links to other sites on the main page, and even those have long since been removed. So this thread seems pretty pointless to me.

      Senjumaru Shutara wrote:
      In addition, with Skelly mostly absent, some users have actually gone as far as RAIDING OTHER SITES for the lulz and basically living up to... well, half of its name.

      If you see this happening, you absolutely need to report it to me. I still check my talk page and forum notifications at least a couple of times a week so it's not like I'm not going to see it.

      http://trollpasta.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LOLSKELETONS#A_Problem

      I do remember posting that on the subject. That was a while back, but another thing I've heard is that they have this secret raiding wiki, apparently. I've been doing my best to hunt it down, but I've had very little luck.

      After you didn't get back to me, I assumed you were too busy to deal with it or too inactive to have seen it.

      Bleh. I might just have to shut down TPWC for a while. I don't have time to deal with all this nonsense.

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    • LOLSKELETONS wrote:

      Senjumaru Shutara wrote:

      LOLSKELETONS wrote:
      There never really was an "official" CPW network. At one point there was some links to other sites on the main page, and even those have long since been removed. So this thread seems pretty pointless to me.

      Senjumaru Shutara wrote:
      In addition, with Skelly mostly absent, some users have actually gone as far as RAIDING OTHER SITES for the lulz and basically living up to... well, half of its name.

      If you see this happening, you absolutely need to report it to me. I still check my talk page and forum notifications at least a couple of times a week so it's not like I'm not going to see it.
      http://trollpasta.wikia.com/wiki/User_talk:LOLSKELETONS#A_Problem

      I do remember posting that on the subject. That was a while back, but another thing I've heard is that they have this secret raiding wiki, apparently. I've been doing my best to hunt it down, but I've had very little luck.

      After you didn't get back to me, I assumed you were too busy to deal with it or too inactive to have seen it.

      Bleh. I might just have to shut down TPWC for a while. I don't have time to deal with all this nonsense.

      That could work. You could also met with a lot of backlash, but honestly, I stopped standing up for Wikia chats quite a while ago.

      That being said, if there was no network to begin with, this thread is actually pointless, yes. I do think that we could affiliate ourselves with other sites, but that's just more personal opinion. Skelly, do the honors. TEAR DOWN THIS THREAD. </lame reference>

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