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  • EmpyrealInvective
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    Voting is done, we are now tallying votes and will be posting a blog with the results shortly.
    00:14, September 26, 2015

    Okay folks, so this one has been bouncing around the blogs for a while, and the community seems a bit torn on which direction they want to go. So, here are the basics of the idea.

    I am crowd-sourcing the idea as of right now, and since the blog didn't really answer too much, I want to put this to a hard vote. Either the majority is on board, or not.

    So, the contest would essentially revolve around re-writing Jeff the Killer as a quality story that meets our standards. This would be open to everyone, and the stories would be submitted on Pastebin with the links posted to the site. Judges would still have to be selected and timelines would have to be laid out, but the basic concept is simple.

    Using the original story as the basis, our best and brightest would re-make the story without the terrible grammar, cliches and "things of bleach." All writers will have a ton of creative license to take the story in their own direction, so long as it doesn't deviate so far from the basic bones of the first story. Remember, the challenge isn't to make a Jeff spin-off, but rather to re-tell the first story, done right. The winning story would be posted here as the new and improved Jeff the Killer story.

    The main inspiration for this is the fact that we still get so many complaints about Jeff the Killer and such. People clearly want the story back, and maybe we can explore such possibilities by allowing a re-write. I understand that this sort of project has been proposed in the past, and has never fleshed out to much of anything. So, I think we can change that, and actually make this a really fun and sort of campy contest just in time for Halloween. 

    There are a lot of concerns though, about messing with the original formula and such, but I am confident that we can take out creative abilities and work around such challenges to actually make a great story.

    So, this comes down to a vote, as I said before. Personally, this contest is for the community, so if the community votes it down, then there are no hard feelings. However, if the vote passes, we'll give it a try and see if we can't finally make something worth a damn out of this cult classic that just won't die. 

    So, you know the drill:

    Support Support - -If you want to see a re-write of Jeff the Killer.

    Neutral Neutral - -Try to avoid this one, I want a real consensus from the community. If you really don't know, that's fine, but try to explain a neutral stance so it can help us decide which direction to go with it.

    Oppose Oppose - -We made the choice to delete Jeff and have gotten through most of the hate that resulted. If you think it's best to leave well-enough alone, vote opposed.

    Voting will be up for a week, ending next Saturday, September 26th, 2015.

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    • Oppose Oppose - Even if Jeff is re-written, I don't see how it can be any better. Just my opinion.

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    • Oppose Oppose - To me this proposal will cause far more problems than it will actually solve.

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    • Support Support - I think that this could invite more people back to the wiki and give some of our more talented writers a chance to bring some good to this whole Jeff the Killer mess.

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    • Support Support - This would be both a fun AND productive project. 

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    •  Support - Yeah, it would be a good re-write, here's the original: http://www.creepypasta.com/jeff-the-killer/

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    • Support Support -

      Let's fix the so-called 'foundation of Creepypastas problems and see that it doesn't bring so much grief.

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    •  Support I dont see why not?

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    •  Support - I think it would be a cool thing to do. Not to mention it'd be a lot of fun for the person re-writing it.

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    • Support Support - YES, PLEASE. This is a great idea.

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    • Support Support - This is the one re-make that should happen. Jeff has become rooted in Creepypasta culture, but his story is below the quality standards, this is the only acceptable way to have him on here in my opinion.

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    • Support - Jeff the Killer himself isn't a bad character, it's just his atrocious origin story that makes him look bad. So maybe a rewrite can finally do this bastard some justice.

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    • Support - All of my yes.

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    • I'm all for bringing more quality material to the site, but I'm just concerned that if a Jeff the Killer rewrite is uploaded to the wiki, some vocal minorities may campaign for other shoddy stories to be rewritten or reuploaded and start another quality control issue. I really am looking forward to another take on Jeff, but it's a small worry of mine that people will be trying to push 'Sonic.exe: Reborn' at some point after Jeff the Killer is reintroduced.

      As long as it's only Jeff, I think that would be fine.

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    • +Support- I don't see why the hell not. I bet the talented writers on this wikia can make some diamonds out of coal.

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    • I was originally for this idea, but with time, and reading what some other people have said, I don't really know at the moment. I wouldn't want people to start uploading spin-off stories, or try to re-upload other horrible stories.

      Those are my current concerns, so at the moment I am Oppose Oppose -. That is not to say that if this does make it through the vote I wouldn't try my hand in the contest. But I think it may not be the best idea to pull up all the emotions tied to JTK.

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    • Just let Jeff die, along with his victims.

      Note: His victims are his readers.

       Oppose

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    • +Neutral - I honestly don't want to see another JtK story with another similar plot, but I say neutral because I'm sure there are some writers out there who can take the story in an entirely new direction and make the characters more interesting. So long as they are allowed to do a lot more with the story and not have to stick too closely (because remember, the reason we shouldn't be sticking closely is because the original one is awful), there could be a possibility for quality work. I just don't see it as too likely.

      I'd be willing to help judge if this does occur, but right now, I'm not really pushed towards one or the other.

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    • + Support- I agree it should be re-written but should be as close to the original story as possible

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    • Neutral Neutral - Well, depending on who writes it, it could either become a watered-down fanfiction or better than the original.

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    • Underscorre
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    • Support Support - I'm new here, but it would be cool to see this happen. I'm not a fan of Jeff the Killer, but I think it could be written the right way. Besides, I love Halloween, and I love contests. Just seems like a cool idea.

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    • =Neutral - I hate Jeff the Killer, and — even more so than him — his fanbase. I find him to be a lame, overly unrealistic Jason/Michael wannabe, and a Villain Sue, at that. His fanbase is even more annoying, defending the story for no other reason than the fact that it's supposedly a classic and because "OMG JEFF IS HAAAAWWWWT!!!!1", all the while writing their numerous pseudo-sequels, or — worse yet — writing a terrible pasta that's so obviously inspired by the original story.

      Now, with all that being said, I might be willing to support a rewrite of it, provided that a few things change.

      1) No more 12 or 13-year-olds with guns. That was really over the top and ridiculous.

      2) Jeff's appearance by the end of the story. Not only is it not scary (at least not to me), but it's not what someone would look like after being drenched in bleach and alcohol and set on fire, regardless of what color clothes they were wearing.

      3) Please please PLEASE no super strength for Jeff! It's bad enough that there's so many slasher movies out there were the killer is highly resilient, strong, or has ninja skills (like successfully throwing a knife at a victim).

      4) Maybe it'd be best to just take out his deformities completely. Disfigured killers are just WAAAAAY overdone. When I first started typing this, I had something like this in mind. Then I remembered reading a different take on Jeff where he wasn't even disfigured, and yet, he was actually much scarier there than he's been in just about any other story. Just an idea, but not entirely vital as long as it can still be good.

      5) Both the character and the story should be much, much darker. I'm not saying pull a Rob Zombie's Halloween and just turn him into a stereotypical killer-in-the-making (i.e. putting up with constant abuse at home and school, animal mutilation and torture, etc), but I just couldn't see that character becoming a notorious serial killer just because of his neglectful parents and some bullies who got his brother put in juvie.

      6) Ditch that "go to sleep" catchphrase. I'm fine with him being able to speak, but that phrase is just stupid, especially since it's taken way out of the original picture's context.

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    • Yeah, while this message will probably be deleted since it lacks a vote, here's my input on how it could be fixed anyways.

      1: The characters should be older. The fact that they're children makes it hard to take seriously. Jeff, Liu, and the bullies should be in their mid teens, like 15 to 16.

      2: Jeff and/or Liu didn't simply tell the police attacking the bullies was self-defense.

      3: Every sliver of dialogue is horrid in every way, not even enjoyably bad.

      4: The bullies didn't wear masks when revealing themselves at the party, so even if they managed to kill Jeff, they would've been arrested anyways.

      5: Jeff's mutilations as a whole, both self-inflicted and from the fight. I don't need to explain this one. Like Stellar said, maybe taking out of the mutilations as a whole would be the better route.

      6: Jeff's mom's immediate reaction to her obviously mentally deranged son is "screw getting him help, get the gun and put him down."

      7: And finally, Jeff being overpowered. Fixing these 7 things would make a decent story, without a doubt.

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    • Neutral Neutral -

      I have doubts on this becuase Jeff the Killer is a contoversial matter and I feel that it would drive the wiki into a further "state of despair". However, the community may make a good job of it as there are a ot of talented writers here.

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    • +Support

      I'm worried about how this will turn out, especially in regards to rabid fan girls/boys. However, it will be interesting to see whether the Jeff the Killer story is a fault of authors or plot. One thing is certain though, accepting a remake of this story will effect the Wiki.

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    • Oppose Oppose - I'm sick of this shit. Jeff cannot be rewritten.

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    •  Support - I hope that it is good as the original, and it needs to make sense and not so cliche. I think a re-write will do Jeff The Killer some justice, and he also needed to be more scary-looking that it will give shivers down the readers when reading the story. That's why I think giving Jeff The Killer a re-write is a good idea.

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    • Oppose Oppose - Don't bring it back. Sure, the story deserves credit for making CPs something relevant, but this will cause more people to get into the crappy OC again.

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    • Support Support - Maybe with the "best and brightest."

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    • I think it could be written well if the bullies were made a bit more complex and Jeff  actually talked like a real teenager. Maybe he could be given a bit more character too.

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    • Jay ten
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    • Neutral 

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    • Support - I think that'd be cool to see, and pretty fun to give it a shot.

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    •  Support - I like this idea.  It gives the story a chance to be something respected and not laughable.  I think that revision and reinvention is a great way to improve the story that has drawn so many to the wiki.  

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    • Support Support - It's about time we get this shit on the road

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    • Fireworks888 wrote: Support - Jeff the Killer himself isn't a bad character, it's just his atrocious origin story that makes him look bad. So maybe a rewrite can finally do this bastard some justice.

      I know right.

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    • Support Support - As long as it turns the table, I can't disgaree to this. We know it may list down some problems, but let's just overlook it. I think Jeff the Killer needs a second chance.

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    • Support...perhaps it's time the community stops being so hostile to anything Jeff The Killer related. Sure, the original JTK CreepyPasta was mediocre, (even though I am kinda "fond" of that 'Pasta), but I can't see how a JTK remake contest could be a bad thing for the Wiki. I guess you could say that this contest will be sorta a compromise for JTK haters and JTK lovers alike.  Hope this contest happens. :)

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    • Support - JTK is a shittie, empty character,around with an empty structure that hangs with an empty argument.

      To say it faster:

      IT 

      NEEDS

      A

      REWRITE.

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    •  Support

      You have my axe, my friend. I think Jeff the Killer could actually be really good if it were rewritten. The guy's such an iconic part of Creepypasta lore it'd be a shame to see him tossed out with the bathwater. There's a lot you can do with the concept and tons of interesting ways to reinterpret him.

      I know a LOT of people are really, really sick of Jeff the Killer at this point, but I still think some good stories can be told with him in them. And if this contest comes to fruition you can bet your bottom dollar I'll contribute a story.

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    • Oppose Oppose - Jeff the Killer is overrated. The story itself is by definition cliché; even if by some miracle it was changed so it doesn't leave a nasty aftertaste, it wouldn't be Jeff the Killer any more. Just let the dead things die in peace.

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    • If we're really gonna do this (it certainly looks like we are, the overwhelming majority is up for it.) people should keep in mind that a lot of the elements of the story, no matter how stupid you think they are or how much you hate them, can work great if written well.

      Here's the perfect example, take a look at this picture drawn by Demongirl99 (A good friend of mine):

      http://demongirl99.deviantart.com/art/Eldritch-Creatures-101-Part-12-326384860

      Here Jeff's traditional appearance is kept perfectly, but the way she draws him makes it look fucking terrifying instead of silly. If you saw this guy staring at you in a dark alley, you wouldn't think "ara~ ara~ what a cute bishie boy! If only he had a nice mary sue like me to nurse him back to happiness!" You'd think "Holy shit the motherfuckers got a knife RUN BITCH RUN HE GON' KILL YOU"

      He's still got the gray skin, the long messy hair, the self-inflicted scars, and even the super strength. But the way this picture presents all of these things, the way they're portrayed actually makes them come off genuinely scary.

      Jeff doesn't look emo, or smug and wacky like the joker, or sad or tormented. He looks FUCKING PISSED. He's still 14, he still looks the same - but he's actually really fucking scary here because the person drawing him knows how to make him scary.

      That's how I think people should approach rewriting this story. You don't have to turn it into a completely different type of story, you don't have to radically change the character. All of the elements of Jeff the Killer - no matter how stupid you might think they are - can all be done well.

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    • Support You know what? Let's give twelve year old fangirls some real literature to look up too. Maybe after it's rewritten I won't get so PISSED when people praise the story.

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    • Support

      Make a new one. The old one is good but I just didn't feel scared. Make something to terrify us all. P.S. New pic please. Old JTK picture was funny as hell.

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    • Support

      The first story was great and all but I think a rewrite will at least make his story... Alright...

      A couple of changes I'd make would be get him bullied regularly, make him psychotic when he sees his face, don't make him white make him look burned and please don't burn his eye lids off... The smile you can't get rid off but the eye lids... Didn't make sense to me.

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    • Faerrriesque
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    • Support. I do like the original story, but it just doesn't make much sense. It's a little too cliche for my liking, it would be nice to change it up a bit.

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    • EDIT: I now support this.

      Neutral Neutral - This morning I read the story. Personally, I could never make such a bad plot interesting. I don't actually think it can be done.

      So even though this is an interesting idea, I don't think it will do us any good. And it holds some risk, but it probably won't be that bad. I'm gonna go neutral, I'm afraid I can't decide.

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    • Support Support - The original story definitely needed some serious polishing, additional information and overall improving. I want a re-write. 

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    • Support - It's such a shitty story and is apparently the 'representation of Creepypasta', it needs a good re-write to make the community seem less crap.

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    • Oppose Oppose - This will only spawn more and more shitty versions of a shitty original. The story itself is, in my eyes, beyond actual repair, the best I can imagine is that someone will be able to make it bearable. 

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    • Support-Of Course. Re-Writing Jeff The Killer would be extremely beneficial for the entire Creepypasta Community.

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    •  Support - -If you want to see a re-write of Jeff the Killer.

      Cool picture.

      But the story needs to be evicerated, burnt to a char, ground up, and re-used as fertilizer for something more along the lines of Fritz Leiber or Robert Bloch. Teenagers are just not scary.

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    • Support Support - I have Banningk's back on this one. People have taken shit and created salvageable materials in the past. Half our fuckin' content relies on it. (People's stories being deleted, remade, and then found to be acceptable).

      It's be a true test on us, and I think people are afraid of actually having their abilities tested on a challenging opposition.

      Disagree with me? Prove me wrong, and do so by challenging the legacy of JtK, hoping to replace it with your own, better version.

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    • Support - I believe anything can be made good, provided the right creators are at the helm. Jeff is no exception.

      Besides, at this point, Jeff is - as much as we hate it - a big part of what one thinks of when they think "Creepypasta." At least give them a good story to think about.

      Speaking of which, I have an idea or two on how to do the story: make it dark, but somewhat over the top and enjoyable. I mean, the character is named "Jeff the Killer." If you didn't know a thing about Creepypasta or anything, you'd probably snicker a bit. I mean, what, would anybody yell, "Oh no, it's the dreaded killer - Jeff!" (And yes, I know Jeffery Dahmer exists. But, for one thing, no one calls him Jeff Dahmer. For another, Dahmer just sounds a bit creepy) Not really. So, just by his name, he's hard to take seriously. So, rather than making it super uber dark, have some fun with it. Jeff is based, visually, on the Joker? Fine. Go all out with that. Make him a fun, yet batshit insane, killer or something. Or at least give him a character.

      Am I saying make it more ludicrous than the original story? No, of course not. (And, to be honest, the only way it could be more ludicrous than the original story is if Jeff were a three headed duck that fired laser beams from his elbows) I'm just saying don't make it totally serious. Be more Tim Burton than Christopher Nolan (and please, don't be Joel Schumacher). Have an enjoyable flare of absurdity in the story. Make Jeff a serial killer with a bit of a dramatic side or something.

      Could "Jeff the Killer" be remade into a genuinely good and scary story? Yes. Would I like it if it were? Most likely. Would I prefer a more insane and fun story? Oddly, yes.

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    • Jeff almost strikes me as something 'supernatural' or 'paranormal.' Like that creepy guy you meet in an alley who instead of selling you some E predicts the day and manner of your death as well as telling you about you in-most darkest secrets.

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    • DarkMetalHead666 wrote:
      Support...perhaps it's time the community stops being so hostile to anything Jeff The Killer related. Sure, the original JTK CreepyPasta was mediocre, (even though I am kinda "fond" of that 'Pasta), but I can't see how a JTK remake contest could be a bad thing for the Wiki. I guess you could say that this contest will be sorta a compromise for JTK haters and JTK lovers alike.  Hope this contest happens. :)

      Basically this.

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    • Oppose, seriously, who needs jeff the killer in this wikia?

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    • Oppose Oppose - - We don't need Jeff the Killer back on the wiki, even rewritten it isn't the best of ideas. We want to attract fans towards new stories, not have the fangirls go back to those old ones.

      I don't want to see Jeff on this wiki at all.

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    • WhyAmIReadingThis wrote:
      Support Support -

      Let's fix the so-called 'foundation of Creepypastas problems and see that it doesn't bring so much grief.

      If deleting it brought that insanity, maybe at the least we can cover that shitstory in gold so it looks pretty XD

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    • Support Support - Support, because lots of people want this story, so why not?



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    • Oppose Oppose. So one author gets to re-imagine a legendary mythos? And every other writer's vision of it is not allowed on the wiki? How is that fair at all? And who gets to judge? If you are going to allow Jeff the Killer rewrites on the wiki everyone should be allowed to publish one. To narrow it down to just one version is ridiculous.

      I thought you were all trying to make this site more literary and not a ridiculous place where writers were embarrassed to even admit they wrote. What's next a new Laughing Jack? A new Sonic? Maybe Dead Bart needs a face lift, and while you are at it let's re-write Smile Dog and put some bestiality into it. I'd love some NSFW Slender Man stories. Where do you think all those children go? To a pedophelia and snuff film syndicate in Juarez. I've already started re-writing the Tobit stories, and For Love and Hot Chocolate doesn't have a happy ending in my version.

      Where are your imaginations? Your really have to re-write that terrible story? Make up your own, for God's sake. WTF?

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: Oppose Oppose. So one author gets to re-imagine a legendary mythos? And every other writer's vision of it is not allowed on the wiki? How is that fair at all? And who gets to judge? If you are going to allow Jeff the Killer rewrites on the wiki everyone should be allowed to publish one. To narrow it down to just one version is ridiculous.

      I thought you were all trying to make this site more literary and not a ridiculous place where writers were embarrassed to even admit they wrote. What's next a new Laughing Jack? A new Sonic? Maybe Dead Bart needs a face lift, and while you are at it let's re-write Smile Dog and put some bestiality into it. I'd love some NSFW Slender Man stories. Where do you think all those children go? To a pedophelia and snuff film syndicate in Juarez. I've already started re-writing the Tobit stories, and For Love and Hot Chocolate doesn't have a happy ending in my version.

      Where are your imaginations? Your really have to re-write that terrible story? Make up your own, for God's sake. WTF?

      Coming up with new, good ideas isn't easy. I haven't written a pasta in months because I haven't had any ideas. Even so, I'm itching to write.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: -comment-

      Well, the whole idea is still being discussed because it sounds interesting and fun (for some, including me). Although I agree having only one writer's work on the wiki isn't the best idea. Personally, I would prefer all the stories that meet our QS on the wiki, but on a special page.

      Also, the reason why a remake of Jeff the Killer is proposed is because people still want it on the wiki.

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    • Support: I think it will be a good idea,to see how it will re-imagined, i do loove the first one but a remake will be great too.

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    • + Support (Think I did that right?)

      While Jeff the Killer may be one of the most reviled characters on the website, I always thought it was just because the story basis itself really wasn't that well grounded, yet it exploded into a huge meme just because it had an odd picture with it, as many would argue.

      I do believe though that it is in solid need of a good remake, and if done write this could be good!

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    • @Cyan writes.  Coming up with ideas is as easy as you want it to be.  Pick up the newspaper and read some crazy ass true event, now riff on it.  Go to the coffee shop and people watch.  Go to the bar and listen to the insane stories people tell and use them as a launching pad.  I can just look around the room: shoes--someone loses their shoes and is forced to make it home from work in the city on public transportation barefoot and bad things happen to their feet; window; sketchy window improperly installed falls and kills a baby who haunts the house; table--man fucks his mistress on his kitchen table and can't get the stink of sex off of it, his wife is constantly wondering what the smell is.  Open your mind, brother.  Stories are everywhere.  The most difficult thing for me is just sifting through them. You don't need to re-write a shitty story to write. This contest is just giving more attention to a terrible story that makes the creepypasta community look like a bunch of hacks with no imaginations or literary goals or ideals.

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    • Support: It'll be a fun expiriment. Who knows? It might turn out well.

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    • @HumboldtLycanthrope: How can you so not nice, its awwesome to have contest to rewwrite a story,, if you don't want well that's you're opinion, but you can't force people to all oppose, i am sorry to disagree with you.

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    • @ Pierre.  I think you are saying that I am not being nice (no disrespect, bro, but please proofread).  Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm not nice.  I'm a hell of a nice guy, just ask any of my good friends on this site; I'd like to think I have a lot of them.

      I just think the community should stop giving so much attention to that horrid story that makes us all look like illiterate morons. I'd like people to one day take this site and the art of creepypastas seriously, and constantly giving attention to this story is not the way to do it.

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    • Pierre1987 wrote:
      @HumboldtLycanthrope: How can you so not nice, its awwesome to have contest to rewwrite a story,, if you don't want well that's you're opinion, but you can't force people to all oppose, i am sorry to disagree with you.

      I guess, because the story probably has nothing new to bring to the table.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote:
      Oppose Oppose. So one author gets to re-imagine a legendary mythos? And every other writer's vision of it is not allowed on the wiki? How is that fair at all? And who gets to judge? If you are going to allow Jeff the Killer rewrites on the wiki everyone should be allowed to publish one. To narrow it down to just one version is ridiculous.

      I thought you were all trying to make this site more literary and not a ridiculous place where writers were embarrassed to even admit they wrote. What's next a new Laughing Jack? A new Sonic? Maybe Dead Bart needs a face lift, and while you are at it let's re-write Smile Dog and put some bestiality into it. I'd love some NSFW Slender Man stories. Where do you think all those children go? To a pedophelia and snuff film syndicate in Juarez. I've already started re-writing the Tobit stories, and For Love and Hot Chocolate doesn't have a happy ending in my version.

      Where are your imaginations? Your really have to re-write that terrible story? Make up your own, for God's sake. WTF?

      While i disagree with him on about 95% of that statement, remaking JTK will probably go about as well as he says. Imagination and creativity will become void, as 90% of the readers will diliapidate into writing more and more JTK/Slendy/etc stories. Good god, please, do not allow this.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: @ Pierre. I think you are saying that I am not being nice (no disrespect, bro, but please proofread). Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm not nice. I'm a hell of a nice guy, just ask any of my good friends on this site; I'd like to think I have a lot of them.

      I just think the community should stop giving so much attention to that horrid story that makes us all look like illiterate morons. I'd like people to one day take this site and the art of creepypastas seriously, and constantly giving attention to this story is not the way to do it.

      Thing is, Jeff the Killer right now is the face of creepypasta. I know you hate that, I hate that too. And any person who loves this artform hates that too. We simply cannot change that, no matter how much we ignore it.

      This contest, for me, has three purposes:

      1) Please (somewhat) the fans that want Jeff back. We simply cannot allow the original to make a return, so we are compromising.

      2) JtK is bad. We will try and replace the old crappy one with a collection of better rewrites.

      3) It sounds interesting and fun.

      I'm not trying to convince you that you should support this. In fact, I'm myself torn. But I have the impression you don't see both sides of the proposal and that's a shame because the people who are behind this agree with everything you say.

      @AMarbleHornet: If I understand correctly, we will allow no more JtK stories after the contest is over. So that won't be a problem. If someone is gonna write a JtK story, he will write it whether the contest is up or not. I doubt they have read anything other than Jeff anyway.

      Anyway, it's very late. The sun is rising again here, so I probably shouldn't be up.

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    • I'm not sure what I think about this anymore. On the one hand, it's a terrible story and should be rewritten just for the sake of rewriting it, but not to please anyone. On the other hand, it might be a bad idea to put it on this wiki. Maybe pick the best ones and put them on Spinpasta, then have a page on this wiki with links to them and an explanation of the contest. There could even be little summaries of how each author switched things up.

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    • @AMarbleHornet.  What is the 95% you disagree with?

      @Dupin, that is so wild that the sun is coming up in Greece.  In California USA it is just setting.  You stay up too late on the computer, bro.  That has to be hard on your constitution.

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    • Oppose. I really had to think this one through. There is a big part of me that thinks it would be an interesting exercise, and if this goes through I will even probably throw my own hat into the ring. That part of me wants to see what Humboldt and Banning and Empy could do with this because I think there are some good bones to the story (buried deep, deeeep down). But this is someone's OC. I don't know who the original author is, but that individual has achieved something that no one on this site has done; created a character that has essentially helped define and build this community we are part of. Regardless of the flaws JtK has, if one of my stories achieved a tenth of its renown and popularity I would consider that an enormous accomplishment. Who am I to try to make this thing better, especially without the authors express permission? I wouldn't want someone rewriting my stories; hell I get pissed occassionally when people correct my grammar mistakes. So to prevent myself becoming a hypocrite, I have to oppose.

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    • Is this not also basically plagiarism?

      @Dupin again, I thought The Slender Man was the face of creepypasta.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: Oppose Oppose. So one author gets to re-imagine a legendary mythos? And every other writer's vision of it is not allowed on the wiki? How is that fair at all? And who gets to judge? If you are going to allow Jeff the Killer rewrites on the wiki everyone should be allowed to publish one. To narrow it down to just one version is ridiculous.

      I thought you were all trying to make this site more literary and not a ridiculous place where writers were embarrassed to even admit they wrote. What's next a new Laughing Jack? A new Sonic? Maybe Dead Bart needs a face lift, and while you are at it let's re-write Smile Dog and put some bestiality into it. I'd love some NSFW Slender Man stories. Where do you think all those children go? To a pedophelia and snuff film syndicate in Juarez. I've already started re-writing the Tobit stories, and For Love and Hot Chocolate doesn't have a happy ending in my version.

      Where are your imaginations? Your really have to re-write that terrible story? Make up your own, for God's sake. WTF?

      Every image needs to be shaped. Regardless of how terrible they are.

      Your argument against it relies on the idea that we will allow remakes on others/hypocrisy you seem to think exists, but it is simply not a viable opposition.

      You don't get prescribed a pill against your will and shout "what if I want another? What if I want to change a different one? No, no, I want this pill."

      When a new Flu vaccine releases every year, no one yells "no, the Flu is bad. We shouldn't attempt to fix it. Why can't we make a vaccine for cancer? What is taking so long on other vaccines?"

      Jeff the Killer is a piece of shit, and like everything else, is able to be improved. If someone can prove me wrong (when I stated it was unsalvagable a few weeks back), I lose nothing, and the site gains a decent story.

      Trolls/people attempting to take advantage will be dealt with if they arrive, and when they arrive. This is not a huge situation. This isn't the thing to break the site, nor make it. All I see are over reactions from everyone, and it makes me wonder why so many people seem to care so much over such a little thing.

      It's simply a contest. They are fun. We are on an entertainment site. We aren't paid for this. It's not a job.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: Is this not also basically plagiarism?

      @Dupin again, I thought The Slender Man was the face of creepypasta.

      Original author is unknown, and all of our works are allowed to be used, copied/pasted elsewhere, et cetera as long as no money is maid from it. Hence Facebook pages that take stories from here, post them, and don't give credit.

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    • ShawnHowellsCP wrote:

      all of our works are allowed to be used, copied/pasted elsewhere,, et cetera as long as no money is maid from it. Hence Facebook pages that take stories from here, post them, and don't give credit.

      Not true.  I put the super special copyright on my stories.  Whatever the hell it's called.  If someone re-wrote my stories or even used my characters without my permission I would fucking lose it.  It's not our story to re-write and that should be respected.  I thought plagairism was taken seriously on this site.

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    • Shadowswimmer77 wrote:
      But this is someone's OC. I don't know who the original author is, but that individual has achieved something that no one on this site has done; created a character that has essentially helped define and build this community we are part of. 

      Agree

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote:

      ShawnHowellsCP wrote:

      all of our works are allowed to be used, copied/pasted elsewhere,, et cetera as long as no money is maid from it. Hence Facebook pages that take stories from here, post them, and don't give credit.

      Not true.  I put the super special copyright on my stories.  Whatever the hell it's called.  If someone re-wrote my stories or even used my characters without my permission I would fucking lose it.  It's not our story to re-write and that should be respected.  I thought plagairism was taken seriously on this site.

      Please click the copywrite under your story He Was a New Man.

      "Share — copy and redistribute the material in any medium or format

      Adapt — remix, transform, and build upon the material

      The licensor cannot revoke these freedoms as long as you follow the license terms."

      "Attribution — You must give appropriate credit, provide a link to the license, and indicate if changes were made. You may do so in any reasonable manner, but not in any way that suggests the licensor endorses you or your use. NonCommercial — You may not use the material for commercial purposes. ShareAlike — If you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original."

      People are free to use your work, and all they have to do is say "Humbolt made the original".

      Plagairism is taken seriously here. Hence the implementation of the copyright system. Especially Creative Commons.

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    • And Shawn, people do get paid.  There are creepypasta collections for sale on Amazon.  And some narrators on YouTube get paid by advertisers.  Doesn't Slime Beast make money off his website?

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    • They can use your work freely, as long as-

      1. If they copy to another site, credit you

      2. Make no profit off of it in any way

      3. Publish it under the same copyright as the original version

      4. Do not pretend you endorsed their creation when you didn't.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: And Shawn, people do get paid.  There are creepypasta collections for sale on Amazon.  And some narrators on YouTube get paid by advertisers.  Doesn't Slime Beast make money off his website?

      Slimebeast has his own website. The books (We Go Bump) are non-profit and created by ClericofMadness for the author's sake of publicity, and the only way to make profit is to submit to some sort of outer magazine/forum/company/story sharing site/et cetera.

      Some even turned their stories into books.

      Making profit directly from this site, and this site alone, is impossible.

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    • Issues of original ownership and such are solved by giving credit to the original author, who, in this case is unknown. That is solved by adding a disclaimer stating that this is not the original work and that all credit for the Jeff the Killer character goes to the original author. 

      To address other issues, it hasn't been decided yet if there will only be one official winner or several, and I think Mr. Dupin has a great idea with awarding several stories a place on a special page. Nothing is written in stone yet, hell, the voting is still up for almost a week.

      As I have said before, this is for the community. If it gets voted down, then the matter is closed. However, if it passes, then who are we to ignore such a huge portion of the community?

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    • @Shawn, there are other books besides Cleric's.  The one that has Leo in it, for instance.  It maybe Slime Beasts own site but since there is a link to it from here that means he is making profit from it.  Ditto with that guy who wrote Leo.  There is a direct link from the story to Amazon so that you can buy the book and no doubt he uses this site to make advertise and make money.

      @Banning, can you claify the copyright information for me.  Can anyone take our stories and legally share them on Facebook with the copyrights we use?

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    • Oppose Oppose -  Being here for a good amount of time, I feel that no matter what changes are made to it, it will be a bad story, I am sorry but this is my opinion: Jeff is a horrendous story, no matter the way it is written.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: @Shawn, there are other books besides Cleric's.  The one that has Leo in it, for instance.  It maybe Slime Beasts own site but since there is a link to it from here that means he is making profit from it.  Ditto with that guy who wrote Leo.  There is a direct link from the story to Amazon so that you can buy the book and no doubt he uses this site to make advertise and make money.

      @Banning, can you claify the copyright information for me.  Can anyone take our stories and legally share them on Facebook with the copyrights we use?

      "By use of this site alone" was very important. You can not just expect to put a story here and wait for money. Those who go solo, make books, et cetera are making no money from this site alone, and seeing as the most popular pages don't have around 1,000 comments, I'd say that it isn't even good advertising. It's decent to start you off, but will never compare to actually advertising your work.

      Also, I can point to at least 50 pages built simply on doing so.

      Simply search the keywords "horror stories, creepy, creepypasta, scary, stories, nightmares", and similar words.

      They are meant to credit you, but if I took, for instance, Number of the Beast, made a remake of it, made no money, and didn't claim you supported me in making it, I'd be in the clear as far as the law goes.

      Asshole move? Yes. The law doesn't agree with personal views, though.

      If I took your story and put it on facebook, simply linking you as the author would be enough for Creative Commons to be in the clear.

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    • The Number of The Beast?  You ripping off Maiden, bro?  Ha ha.  Did you mean The Number of Darkness?  I'm not really well aware of what the two different copyrights do for you. Maybe an administrator can help here.  Empy did tell me that with the copyrights I have I couldn't use  a narrator that had advertisers. But I'm quite ignorant on the whole thing, honestly.  

      By the way, I did some research and you are right.  Gwar were not found frozen in Antartica and are real people.  My world is devestated now.  Thanks. :(

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: The Number of The Beast?  You ripping off Maiden, bro?  Ha ha.  Did you mean The Number of Darkness?  I'm not really well aware of what the two different copyrights do for you. Maybe an administrator can help here.  Empy did tell me that with the copyrights I have I couldn't use  a narrator that had advertisers. But I'm quite ignorant on the whole thing, honestly.  

      By the way, I did some research and you are right.  Gwar were not found frozen in Antartica and are real people.  My world is devestated now.  Thanks. :(

      My bad. I hope Iron Maiden don't sue me.

      If they narrate your story and have ads (without your permission, that is), they are making money from people watching the story, thus making money off of your content. You are protected from this.

      Also, I'm sorry. :(

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    • Pierre1987 wrote: @ShawnHowellCP; What the hell, he's completely bullying you, you should not let him talk to you like this.

      What? No one is bullying anyone. Humboldt is speaking about a transaction we had over Facebook, concerning the band Gwar.

      I'm fine with Humboldt. We have remained civil this entire time.

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    • @Humboldt: To try and answer your question, if someone takes your work to Facebook, you can contact them and ask them to give you credit, siting the Commons. I've actually had to do this a couple of times, as a guy on Wattpad was attempting to write a Tobit spinoff, and I wasn't credited. I contacted him and he was very gracious about adding my name and giving me credit for the orignal idea. 

      If he had refused, I would have had to go through the admins on that site and link them to here, proving that I was the orignal author, at which point they would have made him either credit me or remove the content. The same can be done with Facebook or anywhere else that has admins and such.

      However, none of that is here nor there, when speaking of this proposal thread. Jeff the Killer, the pasta, was actually borrowed from a Youtube video going back to 2008. So, the pasta itself was written under Commons permission. As far as money goes, that is up to the author to follow-up on. I have pastas protected under the non-profit Commons, but since Youtube readings generate such amazing exposure, I wouldn't be interested in demanding that the Youtuber take them down.

      If this does pass, and the story happens, I will personally ensure that a large disclaimer is provided, giving all credit to where credit is due. In no way will the community be lead to believe that what we produce come the end of October is the orignal Jeff the Killer.

      Furthermore, this will be the only deleted story that is allowed to return. There need be no fear of other blacklisted characters being allowed back. 

      Also, stories that are deleted are done so because they, at the time, don't meet the QS. So, if this new addition meets the standards, then it deserves a place here. If there is heat afterwards, it will be dealt with. After all, we dealt with it when chat was shut down, we dealt with it when Jeff was deleted, and most recently, when Jack was deleted. 

      Win, lose or draw, I have confidence that if there is any community of writers that can turn this into something amazing, then it's the pool of writers right here on CP Wiki. We spin gold from thin air all the time, and this is no different. 

      Does the Wiki need a new Jeff the Killer, of course not. But it doesn't need Hyraaq Tobit either, but that would never stop me from writing them. This will be a challenge to the community, but I believe fully that it will be a challenge worth rising to. 

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    • Shawn is my very good friend whom I like and respect very much.  We enjoy a witty exchange.  

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    • Humboldt: Sorry, but i was think it doesn't like  you were friend at all, sorry if i didn't get that.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote:
      Is this not also basically plagiarism?

      I would imagine that trying to rewrite this story to meet the quality standards would involve changing the story so much that it would barely resemble the original.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: Shawn is my very good friend whom I like and respect very much.  We enjoy a witty exchange.  

      Adopt me, pops

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    • @ Skeletons, all right, you convinced me.  I'm in.

      @Shawn, --arms outstretched--come to pops, son.

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    • Dirtbag Daryl wrote: this shit is stupid who even cares

      Because no one wants to say, "Oh, I love Creepypasta." And then whoever hears that goes to that shitty story of Jeff the Killer and compare that to the rest of the talent on here

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    • TrashBabyIsHere wrote:

      Dirtbag Daryl wrote: this shit is stupid who even cares

      Because no one wants to say, "Oh, I love Creepypasta." And then whoever hears that goes to that shitty story of Jeff the Killer and compare that to the rest of the talent on here

      that's their own fault

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    • Dirtbag Daryl wrote:

      TrashBabyIsHere wrote:

      Dirtbag Daryl wrote: this shit is stupid who even cares

      Because no one wants to say, "Oh, I love Creepypasta." And then whoever hears that goes to that shitty story of Jeff the Killer and compare that to the rest of the talent on here

      that's their own fault

      How is it their fault? You wouldn't want to keep watching a TV show if the first episode was god awful

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    • Dirtbag Daryl wrote:
      this shit is stupid who even cares

      Yeah, dirtbag's statement goes a long way and I am going to have to side with him. Fuck this shit, I'm just going to kick back and watch whoever wants to be responsible for writing the worst short story ever written duke it out. Good luck, boys. The honor will be being the laughing stock of a fallen internet art form.

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    • TrashBabyIsHere wrote:

      Dirtbag Daryl wrote:

      TrashBabyIsHere wrote:

      Dirtbag Daryl wrote: this shit is stupid who even cares

      Because no one wants to say, "Oh, I love Creepypasta." And then whoever hears that goes to that shitty story of Jeff the Killer and compare that to the rest of the talent on here

      that's their own fault

      How is it their fault? You wouldn't want to keep watching a TV show if the first episode was god awful

      what kind of logic is that

      any TV show can start picking up after a few episodes. you don't just fucking give up after one, that's dumb.

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    • Yeah, I'm siding with Daryl as well. If the CP community really didn't want to be associated with the abomination that is the original JTK, they should've deleted it several years before they actually did.

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    • if the community didn't allow their hobby to be infested with shit-tastic "stories" like this and sonic.exe, this thing wouldn't be so niche.

      but the majority let it slide, and then everyone suffers for it.

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    • sorry but i'm gonna be nuetral on this one cause i don't know nothing about it and i don't wanna know nothing about it 

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote:
      @AMarbleHornet.  What is the 95% you disagree with?

      @Dupin, that is so wild that the sun is coming up in Greece.  In California USA it is just setting.  You stay up too late on the computer, bro.  That has to be hard on your constitution.

      The 95% consisted of the raging rant on a decent portion of the classics. They aren't the most eloquent bits of literature, almost certainly not the best, but undoubtedly didn't need that amount of sarcasm to throw them in with the lot of JtK.

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    • Support because we as the next ghost stories authors/writers can make some of these old and cliched stories more scare factor without images involved. (Imagination not included). Beside Halloween is near so this is a good start for making one where the boundary of the living and the dead is loose.

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    • Have to admit, I'm torn.

      There's a lot of valid reasons for and against above, but I'm going to come down on the 'Support' side, whilst viewing this less as 'fixing' the original story as refreshing it.

      Take 'Dracula' for example - from Bram Stoker, to Universal, to Hammer, ad infinitum. The Count keeps getting reinvented, his motives & morality as permanent as a summer's breeze in the hands of different people.

      It shouldn't be a question of fixing the original, rather than seeing where else it can go with new eyes.


      ...that and I'm just plain curious to see what other writers will do with it. :)

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    • Support Support - I think this would be agreat idea: those that want Jeff the Killer back would be satisfied, and we'd potentially get a story whose quality we wouldn't mind showing off. However, one big question: if we did rewrite it, how close to the original would we have to be? I mean, would we be free to change the appearance of the character (which would be tricky due to all the fan art and such already out there), or would we have to change him? For example, would we just have to think of a new reason as to why his skin is white (to forget about everything bleach), or could we just throw that out the window?

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    • so everyone is going to support??               great....      WE DONT NEED JEFF BACK!

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    • @UltraXmaster; um, i don't think it that meant the contest will be cancelled if everyone supported that meant Jeff will be back, so you can't force people to disagree.

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    • @Pierre1087 I know.

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    •  Support - I'm really curious to see what the rewrite would be like. This seems like a good idea to me.

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    • Support ---- this, if it is voted to happen, will be a great oppertunity for new writers to try their hand at writing a new creepypasta.  They will already have a frame to use (the original story) and will be able to try their work out.  If it works, they will have some experience to use when writing more.

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    • Support: I personally believe that if a good author decides to re-write the story, it could result in something fairly decent. I expect the stories submitted to be judged to the absolute fullest extent, however. We don't need a version of Jeff the Killer that's worse than the original.

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    • So the way I see it we as a community all know that JTK is the face of Creepypasta and we all know that JTK is a terrible story... So who are we doing this rewrite for? The people who think JTK is good are more than likely people who dont even visit this sight and dont contribut to our art at all. We have survived without JTK and we can keep survivng without JTK. Even if this does happen the people wo made JTK popular arent gonna care, most wont even read it... 

      All in all I Oppose to rewrite JTK i feel like alot of us are butthurt that this story became the face of Creepypasta, I know I am, but i think we should just accept it and move on. We know what we are, so forget the other people are just here for JTK, Ben drowned, and Slenderman.... We have more to offer than just mainstream stories.

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    • @MarbleHornet, I love those stories, bro, and wasn't putting them down.  What I was doing was very sarcastically and ironically saying they are classic and should not be touched. Also, by "fixing" JTK you may just lose whatever charm the nasty little story had.

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    • I think it is only fair to point out that Banning wrote his re-write of JTK before even proposing this contest.

      I don't mean to be knocking Banning at all, I respect him as a writer, he is an incredible asset to this community, he's a great administrator and a really nice guy that I call a good friend; but, couldn't this whole thing just be seen as a way to get a blacklisted story onto the wiki?

      I'm just saying.

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: I think it is only fair to point out that Banning wrote his re-write of JTK before even proposing this contest.

      I don't mean to be knocking Banning at all, I respect him as a writer, he is an incredible asset to this community, he's a great administrator and a really nice guy that I call a good friend; but, couldn't this whole thing just be seen as a way to get a blacklisted story onto the wiki?

      I'm just saying.

      Banningk knows that if he wanted to get a blacklisted story on, he could issue a Spinoff Appeal. If that succeeds, we'd accept it.

      He wanted other people to throw their ideas around as well, as far as I'm concerned.

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    • @Humboldt: Okay, I have tried to avoid this sort of conversation, but at this point, after reading your above post, I am starting to get a little annoyed.

      First of all, I have not written anything yet. I told you, in a private conversation on Skype, that I intended to enter. I do have a story in mind, but nothing has been written, not even so much as a rough draft outside of my head. Furthermore, this is an idea that I have had for a long time, as have others on this site, and I am simply the one that chose to move forward with it.

      So, to set the record straight, you are incorrect in your statement that I have already written something, and for you to imply that I proposed this contest simply so I could get my story on this site is very childish, and frankly, not something I would expect from someone that calls me a friend in the same sentence. Making such comments about someone can lead to diminished trust from the community, and that is something that I will not sit here and allow to happen without saying something.

      If I just wanted to get a story on the board, I would have already green-lit the project. I have the support, and the votes speak for themselves. If that was my plan, it would already be happening. 

      Now, with that being said, enough of this is enough. If you oppose the contest, that if fine, you've cast your vote and everyone knows how you feel about it. If you intend to enter, that is also fine. However, this has turned into nothing more than a pissing contest, one that I have been allowing to happen because frankly I am all for people expressing their views. But when you go as far as to post on a public forum that you believe I have somehow crafted all of this just to get a blacklisted story on the site, that is where I draw the line. 

      For you to make a comment like that demonstrates that you either misunderstood our conversation last night, or that you are intentionally trying to sabotage something that you don't like. Either way, you're wrong, and this is not something that will be accepted.

      I have stood back and let you rant about this, I have reached out to you as a friend to try and come to an understanding, and I have shown you the respect to not become caught up in all the negative attention that you are pushing on something, that honestly, doesn't even impact you in any way.

      This isn't your website anymore than it's mine. If you don't like the proposal, you are free to not participate. If you don't like the story, feel free to never read it. But for you to continue to badger the community, and smear facts from a PRIVATE conversation just to try and make a point, is pitiful. 

      Last night I thought we got past this. We had a nice conversation and I figured that we were moving forward. I wake up today, log on here and see that you're all but smearing my name with lies. I have put too much time and effort here, and I will not let you attack my integrity as a writer or as an admin. For you to even think that I would do something like that proves that you do not understand the intention or the idea behind this, and since you clearly lack that understanding, it is likely best that you leave the issue alone. 

      So, one last time, just so everyone is on the same page, this contest isn't even green-lit yet. I have not written anything for this contest, not that it should matter, anyway, what I write in my spare time is my business. 

      This is a sad day when I see something like this. It's childish, it's below you to even go in such a direction and attack me personally in such a way. This is a proposal blog, nothing more. You've stated your stance by voting opposed, so I don't get why you're still digging into this, but enough is enough. Get over it.

      And just to make everything clear, this is exactly what was said:

      Me: Okay, so I assume you're down with entering the Jeff contest? I hope so...

      Humboldt: Why do you hope so, so much? I don't get it. Why do you want to make this happen? Do you have a version you want to enter?

      Me: I do in fact...

      Me: I will be participating

      That's the Skype conversation word for word.

      Now, I will go as far to address the possibility that he misunderstood me. When he asked me if I had a version, I said yes, meaning that I have a version in mind. No where in there does it say that I have one written, ahead of the contest, just to post. That is never said. But, even if you misunderstood me, to take that here and try to attack my integrity is a low blow and a very intentional shot. I honestly have no idea what your intent was with that post, but you really need to re-evaluate your actions on this.

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    • Official reminder: refrain from attacking other people and exerting into crass behaviors. Otherwise warnings and bans, if it escalates, will happen.

      Thank you for your cooperation everybody!

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    •  Support - Hell yeah! People re-write classic stories all the time - theres so many different versions of fairy tales, for example, Rapunzel, also now a Disney movie (Tangeled). Another version, The Stone Cage, a really old book written from the witches cats point of view also about the story of Rapunzel... You see what I mean. So why not do it with a classic pasta! There's so many avenues writers could try out and go down with this to create something that's still the classic Creepypasta we all know, Jeff The Killer, but with a twist, or from another perspective or in a whole other style even and I for one am personally quite excited to see the results of this vote and hopefully rhe results of this competition :)

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote:
      @MarbleHornet, I love those stories, bro, and wasn't putting them down.  What I was doing was very sarcastically and ironically saying they are classic and should not be touched. Also, by "fixing" JTK you may just lose whatever charm the nasty little story had.

      Alright, knowing that, I apologize for jumping the gun on my view of what you had said. On JtK's charm, I'm uncertain as to whether or not those two should be used in a sentence that doesn't include "Lack of". I'm 100% with you on the fact that this shouldn't happen.


      It will only encourage writers to think more like JtK and less like actual writers. It'll essentially be willingly contaminating ourselves, and I doubt many people will be periodically searching for JtK once they know how absolutely shitty it is, so it probably won't change people's views on pasta. It might just show them how much we rely (not saying we do) on the JtK story for a fanbase.

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    • Anarchy! Chaos! Subvert the system!  Ha ha ha ha.  

      @Banning:

      No one personally attacked you, bro. I did in fact come away from that conversation feeling you had a finished product. I asked if you had a version and you said yes. What was I supposed to think? It's only fair that it should get mentioned. I thought I did it in a rather kind manner.

      For the record, I didn't say a thing on the blogs, and would never have even noticed this thread if you hadn't directed me to it. You asked me to come here and voice my opinion. You know I am a bat shit crazy, punk rock, mother fucker who isn't shy about making his views known. I told you I thought it was a bad idea and yet you still asked me to come here and state it for all the community. What were you expecting to happen? You got what you asked for. I guess it's like the story of the scorpion and the frog.

      I didn't mean to question your integrity. You know you have my respect and support. The wikia is supposed to be about transparency, maybe you should have stated the fact that you were working on a new version of JTK and intended to be the new face of it when you proposed the contest.

      Whatever, I still feel this is an unimaginative contest that borders on plagiarism. I'll leave your thread alone now. On a positive note, more people have voted on this it appears than PotM, so it has brought out the community.

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    • AMarbleHornet wrote: It will only encourage writers to think more like JtK and less like actual writers. It'll essentially be willingly contaminating ourselves, and I doubt many people will be periodically searching for JtK once they know how absolutely shitty it is, so it probably won't change people's views on pasta. It might just show them how much we rely (not saying we do) on the JtK story for a fanbase.

      What do you mean this will encourage writers to think more like JtK? And what do you mean with "they will contaminate themselves"?

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    • @Humboldt: I think we're at a good point to shake hands and move foward on this. Yes, I did invite you here to voice your opinion, because you have a right to be heard. Yes, I was prepared for you to vote opposed. I suppose what is uncalled for is the continued dialogue about why you oppose it. It's a simple matter of a vote, state your case, and that is all that is required.

      I certainly do not intend my version to be the new JtK, I intend the winner's story to be. If that happens to be me, good going Banning. However, there is no hidden motive here. Hell, I was one of the loudest supporters to delete the original Jeff the Killer. 

      As I have said again and again, this is for the community. I am also part of the community, and I am also a writer, so I don't think it's so outside the box that I would want to enter. 

      All that being said, can we please move on with this. I pride myself in being one of the most drama-free people around here, and I would love to keep it that way. I understand and respect your feelings on this, and even through all of this, I still hope that you enter the contest. I asked for our best and brightest, and you are certainly both.

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    • For some reason, I support this idea.  I've been threatening to rewrite that thing for years.

      N...n...not that I wrote it orignally, despite what I say to the contrary.

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    • I Support this idea fully and would like to compete in the contest being held. Thank you for reading my response, SuperCreepyWhoLockian

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    • Support Support -I don't see why not

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    • MrDupin wrote:

      AMarbleHornet wrote: It will only encourage writers to think more like JtK and less like actual writers. It'll essentially be willingly contaminating ourselves, and I doubt many people will be periodically searching for JtK once they know how absolutely shitty it is, so it probably won't change people's views on pasta. It might just show them how much we rely (not saying we do) on the JtK story for a fanbase.

      What do you mean this will encourage writers to think more like JtK? And what do you mean with "they will contaminate themselves"?

      I mean that writers will be encouraged to get more in the mindset of the writer of JtK. I find most people will simply put more eloquent text into the original story (most people aren't in a creative mind). As for contaminiting, I mean the writers themselves. If one learns that it is accepted to simply rewrite mediocre literature, then one feels that one doesn't need to exert one's mind to come up with a creative idea, rather just leech off of some other writer.

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    • Supported It seems like a really good idea.

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    • Oppose Oppose - It's time t0 bury that st0ry. We're well 0ff with0ut it, s0 there's really n0 reas0n t0 bring it back.

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    • AMarbleHornet wrote:

      I mean that writers will be encouraged to get more in the mindset of the writer of JtK. I find most people will simply put mor eloquent text into the original story (most people aren't in a creative mind). As for contaminiting, I mean the writers themselves. If one learns that it is accepted to simply rewrite mediocre literature, then one feels that one doesn't need to exert one's mind to come up with a creative idea, rather just leech off of some other writer.

      I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the writers that'll take place in the competition already have a couple of stories under their belt. And taking part in the contest won't affect their love for writing. So they won't be contaminated, or anything.

      Also, I believe it is perfectly clear that we will no longer accept JtK rewrites after the competition is over. So how exactly would anyone think "rewriting mediocre literature" is acceptable? I could argue that having a terrible story like JtK around will encourage people to write terrible literature. So rewriting Jeff into something better will do only good in that aspect.

      But I'll agree that people may think simply putting better wording and grammar will be enough. Maybe we need to clarify that in the rules of the contest, if it goes up. Good point.

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    • I support this idea because Jeff The Killer is my favorite CreepyPasta he is awesome and deserves to be on this site but don't go to far off of his origin story and please don't mess up his look keeep it the way he should look pale no eyelids that huge smile and no nose this could be a awesome project but lets not go all Freddy Krueger 2010 on this 

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    • i like that you would re-write jeff the killer it would be cool to see the new jeff

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    • Yes! Im totally doing this! Jeff was such an interesting character, but his story, inevitibly flawed.

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    • Bvblover15 wrote: As long as the original story is left as it is and will go untouched i'm fine with it.

      No offense, but had you paid attention to the description?

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    • Bvblover15 wrote:
      As long as the original story is left as it is and will go untouched i'm fine with it.

      That's kinda imp0ssible. The st0ry is what was bad, s0 re-writing it w0uld inv0lve c0mpletely revising it, changing basically everything, and turning it int0... n0t crap. Unless 0fc0urse y0u mean the 0riginal st0ry itself, but that thing's l0ng g0ne. 

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    • Support. I read the old one, and it's got the right idea but needs revision.

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    • So Scary...

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    • HollyTheKiller wrote: Support!

      Why wouldn't I support my brother?

      I.... I don't think you get the reason we're doing this

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    • Support Support - I don't see why not.  What's the harm?

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    • MrDupin wrote:
      AMarbleHornet wrote:

      I mean that writers will be encouraged to get more in the mindset of the writer of JtK. I find most people will simply put mor eloquent text into the original story (most people aren't in a creative mind). As for contaminiting, I mean the writers themselves. If one learns that it is accepted to simply rewrite mediocre literature, then one feels that one doesn't need to exert one's mind to come up with a creative idea, rather just leech off of some other writer.

      I'm pretty sure the vast majority of the writers that'll take place in the competition already have a couple of stories under their belt. And taking part in the contest won't affect their love for writing. So they won't be contaminated, or anything.

      Also, I believe it is perfectly clear that we will no longer accept JtK rewrites after the competition is over. So how exactly would anyone think "rewriting mediocre literature" is acceptable? I could argue that having a terrible story like JtK around will encourage people to write terrible literature. So rewriting Jeff into something better will do only good in that aspect.

      But I'll agree that people may think simply putting better wording and grammar will be enough. Maybe we need to clarify that in the rules of the contest, if it goes up. Good point.

      A vast majority of the people who will be/will want to be writing have almost no experience under their belts (I'm sorry, this is my reasoning), as this will show up when people google the words "Jeff the Killer". You must consider the fact that a decent portion of these people would be younger, young enough to "feel the same as Jeff the Killer", or young enough to think it makes them genuinely different. As for contaminating, I believe anyone who has to write using any aspect of Jeff the Killer (I'll admit there are certain ideas that could work) will be mentally saying thusly:


      "Yeah, alright, they want me to write like JtK. This is acceptable behavior." Granted, all of my psychology experience originates from the short end of the stick for about nine years. So, in my eyes, I can only see this either harming the newcoming writers whose time could be better spent making an original work, or this will set existing writers back.

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    • A renewal will work. Just make it a bit scientificly accurate. Deformity and no Burned eyelids or cut mouth. Jeff does sleep but place to place. And he stays his brown hair self. No super human powers. Gets injured. GOT IT!

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    • HollyTheKiller wrote:
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      Why wouldn't I support my brother?


      Oppose Oppose - as per her, the fans will just mess up the story for everyone, girls for some reason like jeff the killer bullcrap.

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    • Support-  I would love to read a re write of this story

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    • I assume by "Deformity", you mean getting burned/bleached. So how would he have hair if he was completely consumed by flames?

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    •  Support


      Having read the story myself, I would love to see it retold in a more informative and engaging manner.

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    •  Nutrual


      Did have some bad grammer but im a fan of the original.

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    •  support: i believe its a good idea to rewrite it becuase hopefully people come back  becuase of it
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    • Fireworks888 wrote: I assume by "Deformity", you mean getting burned/bleached. So how would he have hair if he was completely consumed by flames?

      Also, the fact that no burn as a result from bleach will ever turn skin white. It's completely asinine. Red, brown, covered in blisters and swelling, more like.

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    • ShawnCognitionCP wrote:

      Fireworks888 wrote: I assume by "Deformity", you mean getting burned/bleached. So how would he have hair if he was completely consumed by flames?

      Also, the fact that no burn as a result from bleach will ever turn skin white. It's completely asinine. Red, brown, covered in blisters and swelling, more like.

      Hey, hey, no. He was a special snowflake, that's why it turned his skin white

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    • + Support

      I say let's do this. If there's someone who can give this story a proper "polish", then we should give it a try and just see where it goes.

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    • oppose

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    • Totally support. I think Jeff should have a partner in crime, and it should tell what happen to Lui.

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    • WeirdCreepyPastaChick wrote:
      Totally support. I think Jeff should have a partner in crime, and it should tell what happen to Lui.

      Eh, that would kinda make it more fan-fiction than it is a creepypasta.

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    • Support I've got some ideas of my own, and I've been wanting to do another pasta for awhile.

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    • + Support (dont wanna make the sign cuz im on ipad) im kinda good author and i would like to show my skills and it will be funny and courageous to people who writes good but couldnt show anyone their talent

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    • I totally support this idea. I hated the original story, I hate what the terrible fan base has blown it up into. I hate everything about Jeff the Killer. Which is why I haven't even entertained the idea of narrating it on my channel. EVER. Maybe if it's rewritten by a competant person who knows what they're doing, I might consider it. But I don't see how anyone could save that piece of garbage. I support this because I want to see if miracles really do happen.

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    •  Support - Jeff the Killer is famous and infamous equally. He's the prince of creepypastas, second only to Slender Man. Yet.... the story was par, at best. A re-write contest would not only give creepypasta a well-developed, high quality representative, but it also would give people who want to write creepypastas but have difficulty formulating their own ideas an opportunity to get a start in the genre and test for quality.

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    • Neutral It could be actually good, but on the flip side it could also suck, if it was done well though, that would be awesome.

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    • i would love to re-write jeff the killer cause its a good creepypasta and i would love to see it be better. :)

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    • -Oppose You can't re-write garbage.

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    • Support Support - I don't like Jeff the Killer, never have. I think it spawned some good stories, but that has long since past and we have a plethora of uninspired copycats. However, I dislike stifling the possibility of creative output even more. So, I hesitantly support this.

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    • Support - Suuuuuure, why not give it a shot? It'll be fuuuuun!

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    •  Support - It seems worthwhile to me to see what the community can come up with.

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    • GreenArticuno wrote:
      -Oppose You can't re-write garbage.

      Agreed. The only way to make this pasta better is to completely re-write story. And also remove Jeff The Killer from it.

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    • OPPOSE - I can't tell you many "Jeff the Killer - the good version" and "Sonic exe - the good version" stories I've read. They're all awful because you simply cannot polish a turd

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    • Well the topic history is fascinating to say the least.

      Any ways, most of the reasons why people oppose is due to stagnant beliefs ie. "Jeff the killer should be removed because its unable to be re-written". I challenge those who state that to explain their beliefs and why they think so as that only leads to more confusion.

      I'm still Neutral Neutral - with this.

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    • KreppyPoopsa1 wrote:
      you simply cannot polish a turd

      Exactly. To make this story good you have to basically change the entire story, at which point you're really just writing a completely different story, so what's the point?

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    • Oppose Oppose - per lolskeletons & poopsa

      if you could change most of the plot points and have logic in them I think it could be decent, but you can't do that without turning it into a completely different story

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    • Oppose Oppose - - there's no way a piece of shit like Jeff could get any better.

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    • Oppose Oppose -  I find it hard to believe anyone can make it better, it's simple garbage that can't be fixed.

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    • Neutral Neutral - Honestly, if you remake it, it'll be alright at best, but I think it could be done.

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    • Support: It really challenges your imagination. To people who don't like to write.....well, I guess just don't do it.

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    • Even if this d0es happen, wh0's t0 say any decent writers will give it a try? The fact remains that m0st, if n0t all, 0f the supp0rters f0r this are average at best, and we w0uld need s0me0ne with skill and experience as a writer. Especially if we add 0n the pressure 0f n0t changing any 0f the pl0tp0ints in the st0ry, like previ0usly menti0ned, as it w0uld make it a c0mpletely different st0ry, and still making it g00d. 

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    • GreenArticuno wrote:
      -Oppose You can't re-write garbage.

      jeff the killer is not garbage ok its a good storie and we can make it better

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    • TheDarkMaster99 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - - there's no way a piece of shit like Jeff could get any better.

      the hell jeff the killer is not a piece of shit

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    • Creepypastalover2001 wrote:

      TheDarkMaster99 wrote:
      Oppose Oppose - - there's no way a piece of shit like Jeff could get any better.

      the hell jeff the killer is not a piece of shit

      Yes it is. He is OP and cliche.

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    • And just like that, this went fr0m p0litical debate t0 a flame war. 

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    • BelowXero wrote:
      And just like that, this went fr0m p0litical debate t0 a flame war. 

      Who didn't see it coming?

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    • Will someone just delete this thread? the answer is already given.. its  yes

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    • Can you guys stop replying so much? The notifications are at overload.

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    • BelowXero wrote:
      And just like that, this went fr0m p0litical debate t0 a flame war. 


      Whenever it involves a story, or anything for that matter, we cannot have a discussion because people just bash others on their opinions, if they like JtK, leave them be. If you dislike it, then you don't like it, I just wish people can get along on here and in general.

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    • Oppose

      Honestly, I feel that we should just let this story go. Many stories get deleted off this wiki because they're garbage. Do any of those stories get opportunities like this to be re-written? No, so why should Jeff the Killer get this opportunity. I think that we should just let it die out throughout the next few years. If the fans don't like that then screw them. They just need to accept it.

      Sure, someone might do a good job re-writing it but I don't think it's really worth the effort.

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    • BrianBerta wrote: Oppose

      Honestly, I feel that we should just let this story go. Many stories get deleted off this wiki because they're garbage. Do any of those stories get opportunities like this to be re-written? No, so why should Jeff the Killer get this opportunity. I think that we should just let it die out throughout the next few years. If the fans don't like that then screw them. They just need to accept it.

      Sure, someone might do a good job re-writing it but I don't think it's really worth the effort.

      Because a lot of the garbage stories that get deleted now are inspired by Jeff.

      By the way, I change my vote. I'm now supporting this.

      Support Support -

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    • RisingFusion wrote: Can you guys stop replying so much? The notifications are at overload.

      The unfollow button is your friend.

      Additionally, I'm thinking of continuing this in another thread, if no-one has any objections. This one's getting pretty long.

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    • Underscorre wrote: The unfollow button is your friend.

      Additionally, I'm thinking of continuing this in another thread, if no-one has any objections. This one's getting pretty long.

      Tomorrow voting will be closed, so I don't think it's worth.

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    • MrDupin wrote: Tomorrow voting will be closed, so I don't think it's worth.

      True.

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    • changed my vote.    Nuetral        
      Neutral

      IM NEUTRAL

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    • Oppose Oppose -  You can take a turd, shine it up, put a pretty bow on it, and it's still gonna be a turd. This is akin to a bunch of musicians getting together and trying to rerecord one of Justin Beiber's songs to make it "good"...  ain't gonna happen, not matter what you try.

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    • I just don't see how you could write a story using the iconic lines, "Go to sleep," and, "aren't I beautiful, Mommy?" and not be plagiarizing. You would be ripping off someone else's work, plain and simple. There's just no way around it.

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    • It's called a remake, Lycanthrope. The wiki is in the process of making a REMAKE.

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    • Fireworks888 wrote:
      It's called a remake, Lycanthrope. The wiki is in the process of making a REMAKE.

      Plagiarism and remaking are different concepts, obviously. I mean, technically, Humboldt is right. By copying direct lines from the story, you are technically plagiarizing those lines. A remake usually is different from the original even though it follows the same basic plot, but when it uses direct lines from the original work, it can be viewed as plagiarism (usually depends on the context and importance of the line, as well if you had the permission to do so or if you are trying to go commercial with it. On this wiki, it should fine to just give credit to the author/original story).

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: I just don't see how you could write a story using the iconic lines, "Go to sleep," and, "aren't I beautiful, Mommy?" and not be plagiarizing. You would be ripping off someone else's work, plain and simple. There's just no way around it.

      Humbold, as long as we give credit to the original story and the author (even though he's unknown) and we don't straight out copy-paste it back, it won't be plagiarism. Plus, nobody HAS to use those phrases (and I recommendd not)

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    • AGrimAuxiliatrix1 wrote:
      Fireworks888 wrote:
      It's called a remake, Lycanthrope. The wiki is in the process of making a REMAKE.
      Plagiarism and remaking are different concepts, obviously. I mean, technically, Humboldt is right. By copying direct lines from the story, you are technically plagiarizing those lines. A remake usually is different from the original even though it follows the same basic plot, but when it uses direct lines from the original work, it can be viewed as plagiarism (usually depends on the context and importance of the line, as well if you had the permission to do so or if you are trying to go commercial with it).

      Meh, I suppose it's a rip-off (as a hollow technicality) since the original author isn't involved and he hasn't consented yet (and never will). But yeah, we shouldn't use those lines anyway. We can all agree JTK dialogue is appalling and not a single quote in the original should be referenced or rewritten in the remakes. That's a lotta re's.

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    • There is a catch 22 here, if the winner doesn't have the lines, "Go to sleep," and "aren't I beautiful, Mommy," then it isn't in keeping with the mythos and has lost the essence of the original. I mean, come on, how could you have a re-write and not use those iconic line? They are arguably the best things in the story and what make it so creepy and spooky.

      However, if it does have those lines then it is a rip off.  

      Therewithin lies the paradox of Banning's contest and why I can't foresee myself entering.

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    • I doubt anyone will really hate the re-write solely because it contains 2 lines in reference to the original. The only people that dense are unimportant, and rare.

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    • I just think it is sad that this wiki would hold a contest that encourages unoriginal ideas and plagiarism, and I feel very, very strongly about this.

      I also feel that contestants are competing to commandeer a huge fan base of a pre-existing story on a site that has a no spin-off rule. Whoever wins will have a ton of readers coming to this site to read the new JTK. That's what the competition is all about and it is painfully obvious that that is the reason this whole contest was started. I know I'm pissing people off by pointing this out. I can see that replies have been removed. But what I am saying is an obvious fact that I see as irrefutable.

      I love the contests here, my best pastas have undeniably been born of them. October is the month of Halloween and is a dear time for lovers of horror, I'm surprised and even irked that this contest is the face that the community wants to show during that time. I could think of hundreds of better contest ideas.

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    • This wiki has over 11,000 stories on it, and there are thousands more to come. Is it really that bad there's we have one re-write on it? I highly doubt any more re-writes will be officially contested, and at least currently, this is a one-time thing.

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    • Fireworks888 wrote:
      AGrimAuxiliatrix1 wrote:
      Fireworks888 wrote:
      It's called a remake, Lycanthrope. The wiki is in the process of making a REMAKE.
      Plagiarism and remaking are different concepts, obviously. I mean, technically, Humboldt is right. By copying direct lines from the story, you are technically plagiarizing those lines. A remake usually is different from the original even though it follows the same basic plot, but when it uses direct lines from the original work, it can be viewed as plagiarism (usually depends on the context and importance of the line, as well if you had the permission to do so or if you are trying to go commercial with it).
      Meh, I suppose it's a rip-off (as a hollow technicality) since the original author isn't involved and he hasn't consented yet (and never will). But yeah, we shouldn't use those lines anyway. We can all agree JTK dialogue is appalling and not a single quote in the original should be referenced or rewritten in the remakes. That's a lotta re's.

      Has the original author even commented on the contest yet? From what I've come to understand they're not even the ones who came up with the original concept of Jeff the Killer. It was some anon on the internet.

      Also, no, using some of the same lines from the original story is not plagarism. If it was, every single time someone ever wrote down "What is his name?" they'd be plagarizing Pride and Prejudice.

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    • Humboldt, I respect you as a person and as a writer greatly. But this has to stop. For whatever reason, you are trying to turn this into a pissing contest.

      Unoriginal ideas? So you think turning crap into something good needs no creativity/original ideas/talent? Personally I could never make the story any better because I don't feel I have enough creativity and talent. I cannot even summon a single idea of how to make this better.

      Plagiarism? It is a remake. Are you accusing every single remake of plagiarism? That's absurd, to say the least.

      We get that you don't want to enter. And we are perfectly fine with that. Don't enter. But stop bringing all that negativity and hate on here. You've voiced your opinion, but now you need to move on. You are taking this too far.

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    • Well, Fireworks, that's the thing, isn't it? One story out of 11,000 is going to be allowed to be an exception. Doesn't seem very consistent or fair, does it?

      Is it that bad? Well in a world such as ours with famine, massive refugee crisis, a degrading environment, and all the other global issues we face, no, it's not that bad at all. This issue just stirred something up inside of me.

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    • When you're talking about remakes, there's multiple ways you can do it.

      You can try to be exactly like the original shot-for-shot style, with a few moments omitted or change for good measure, but the basic premise and broad plotline still intact: a character study about a 14 year old who gets bullied, disfigured and eventually kills his parents and starts killing people like crazy.

      Or you could go the "Scarface" route and keep the general spirit and narrative of the story, but do completely different things with it all, turn the story completely on it's head.

      Or you could write a totally different story entirely and just call it "Jeff the Killer." Which is probably the worst idea, amazingly.

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    • Dupin, lot's of people are making repeated comments here, I don't see why I can't. Fireworks and I are having a very reasonable and civil conversation, not a pissing contest. This is a community forum and I have every right to be here discussing the matter. Was that not why the thread was started?

      Okay, I'll be up front here. I've had story ideas straight up ripped off from me here before. I've also read stories that seemed to be more than inspired by mine. This contest is just encouraging more of the same.

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    • @Dr. Bleed, are you telling me that if a crime movie had a cop say, "Do you feel lucky, punk?" that wouldn't be plagiarism? How about if an android said, "I'll be back," with a German accent?

      Having a white faced killer say, "Go to sleep," is plagiarism in my opinion.

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    • But this is different. If said German-accented android said that in a Terminator remake/reboot, no one would bat an eye and see it as a simple jab at the original film.

      Same thing goes for Jeff. If said white faced killer said "Go to sleep" in a Jeff the Killer re-write, no one would bat an eye. Also, hate to be a smartass but I actually encourage Jeff's bleached face to be taken out of any re-writes due to being so unrealistic.

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    • Fireworks888 wrote: But this is different. If said German-accented android said that in a Terminator remake/reboot, no one would bat an eye and see it as a simple jab at the original film.

      Same thing goes for Jeff. If said white faced killer said "Go to sleep" in a Jeff the Killer re-write, no one would bat an eye. Also, hate to be a smartass but I actually encourage Jeff's bleached face to be taken out of any re-writes due to being so unrealistic.

      Agreed

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    • Well, that is a good point. However, in those films James Cameron would probably have given expressed consent. There would also be an army of copyright lawyers. It wouldn't be one person's vision, but a plethora of writers, producers, editors, a director and many, many assistant directors.

      I also see film and music as different from literature, as they are constantly trying to keep in the public vogue, unlike books which are anchored solidly. It is common to re-boot films, as they are more of a director's vision and not their original ideas to begin with anyway.

      I can't think of a single re-written book. Can you?

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    • Well, that is a good point. However, in those films James Cameron would probably have given expressed consent. There would also be an army of copyright lawyers. It wouldn't be one person's vision, but a plethora of writers, producers, editors, a director and many, many assistant directors.

      I also see film and music as different from literature, as they are constantly trying to keep in the public vogue, unlike books which are anchored solidly. It is common to re-boot films, as they are more of a director's vision and not their original ideas to begin with anyway.

      I can't think of a single re-written book. Can you?

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    • HumboldtLycanthrope wrote: Dupin, lot's of people are making repeated comments here, I don't see why I can't. Fireworks and I are having a very reasonable and civil conversation, not a pissing contest. This is a community forum and I have every right to be here discussing the matter. Was that not why the thread was started?

      Okay, I'll be up front here. I've had story ideas straight up ripped off from me here before. I've also read stories that seemed to be more than inspired by mine. This contest is just encouraging more of the same.

      I haven't seen people repeat their own comments, unless they were pointing something out directly to someone. Which you didn't. But that doesn't matter.

      Of course you can have a civil conversation. But you are constantly taking stabs at the people behind the contest, even though your accusations are far-fetched.

      And no, what you are calling plagiarism isn't plagiarism. Because it is a remake. If I used a white faced crazy killer with a carved smiled whispering "Go to sleep" in one of my stories and claimed it was mine, then yes, that would be plagiarism. But not if said story was a remake of the original. You are essentially saying that in a Terminator remake, the writers can't use "I'll be back" because they would be plagiarizing the original. That doesn't sound right, does it?

      Lastly, if you think someone really plagiarized one of your stories, you should report it to an admin. That is a very serious matter.

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    • Now that I think about it, no. I even googled novel remakes/rewrites and not a single thing came up.

      But think of it this way. Jeff is such an icon that his original story could be portrayed as a legend more than an actual short story, and horror legends such as the Headless Horseman or Frankstein's Monster have received countless remakes and reimaginings.

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