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  • This discussion popped up between me and my friends and we couldn't come up with a definite answer but we edged closer towards The Scarlet King

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    • I think the Scarlet King would win, because I hold that Zalgo's only power is making paintings and writing strange-looking.

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    • what can the Scarlet King do?

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    • BloodySpghetti wrote:
      what can the Scarlet King do?

      Basically nothing as far as I know.

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    • Icydice wrote:
      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      what can the Scarlet King do?
      Basically nothing as far as I know.

      I would love to have a "serious" versus thread with various characters from the CP/SCP verse. but seems like people aren't fun enough for that.

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    • BloodySpghetti wrote:
      Icydice wrote:
      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      what can the Scarlet King do?
      Basically nothing as far as I know.
      I would love to have a "serious" versus thread with various characters from the CP/SCP verse.

      but seems like people aren't fun enough for that.

      It would be filled with JefF tHe KillER vs Scp 173

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    • Icydice wrote:

      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      Icydice wrote:
      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      what can the Scarlet King do?
      Basically nothing as far as I know.
      I would love to have a "serious" versus thread with various characters from the CP/SCP verse.

      but seems like people aren't fun enough for that.

      It would be filled with JefF tHe KillER vs Scp 173

      Jeff is blind :( its all a dream in his broken psyche

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    • Scarlet King is a high tier reality warper. Stands above God and other primal deities. Scarlet King is one of few SCP's with the Apollyon class making him a threat to the universe. Scarlet King plans to overthrow God and destroy creation. He was born under the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden.

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    • The 11th Legion wrote:
      Scarlet King is a high tier reality warper. Stands above God and other primal deities. Scarlet King is one of few SCP's with the Apollyon class making him a threat to the universe. Scarlet King plans to overthrow God and destroy creation. He was born under the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden.

      The Scarlet King makes no sense being born in the universe of God and being stronger than him, considering how the Big G won't even let humans near him out of fear of them overthrowing him, let alone a reality wrapper.

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    • BloodySpghetti wrote:
      The 11th Legion wrote:
      Scarlet King is a high tier reality warper. Stands above God and other primal deities. Scarlet King is one of few SCP's with the Apollyon class making him a threat to the universe. Scarlet King plans to overthrow God and destroy creation. He was born under the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden.
      The Scarlet King makes no sense being born in the universe of God and being stronger than him, considering how the Big G won't even let humans near him out of fear of them overthrowing him, let alone a reality wrapper.

      Not to mention I read the scp and found no mentions of this. The scp is just a woman giving birth to what could be the doomsday scenario and the scp people need to kill the baby. It's actually quite dark and brutal, so this whole matchup just seems like fanservice to face Zalgo against the king of what ifs.

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    • Icydice wrote:
      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      The 11th Legion wrote:
      Scarlet King is a high tier reality warper. Stands above God and other primal deities. Scarlet King is one of few SCP's with the Apollyon class making him a threat to the universe. Scarlet King plans to overthrow God and destroy creation. He was born under the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden.
      The Scarlet King makes no sense being born in the universe of God and being stronger than him, considering how the Big G won't even let humans near him out of fear of them overthrowing him, let alone a reality wrapper.
      Not to mention I read the scp and found no mentions of this. The scp is just a woman giving birth to what could be the doomsday scenario and the scp people need to kill the baby. It's actually quite dark and brutal, so this whole matchup just seems like fanservice to face Zalgo against the king of what ifs.

      Didn't they not allow "unoriginals"? Oh wait, I actually saw a page about an Eel leviathan creature that makes you have slenderman sickness not too long ago. Scratch that. 

      Anyway, who do you think would win, Your AI with full access to the internet (control of all technology pretty much in the world) or my Apollo?

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    • Can Apollo retreat back into the internet anytime his body is destroyed. If yes then it's a stalemate, as neither can truly be destroyed.

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    • Icydice wrote:
      Can Apollo retreat back into the internet anytime his body is destroyed. If yes then it's a stalemate, as neither can truly be destroyed.

      I didn't really think about that. Let's say no, for the sake of a fair game.  What happens if they end up destroying all available access to the internet, your AI can't escape.

      Here's the problematic part though, even in case there is a way to get to the net seeing as how both are eventually human machines, they'd go fight in a secluded place far from civilization (like some empty spot in the Sahara or something). Destroying Apollo's body would be stupid, unless you behead him because his bodily engine is a sort of a nuke. (I think I mentioned that).

      So I'm guessing your unnamed AI wins or it's a stalemate.

      Man, I really want this versus thing to happen in the forum XD

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    • BloodySpghetti wrote:
      Icydice wrote:
      Can Apollo retreat back into the internet anytime his body is destroyed. If yes then it's a stalemate, as neither can truly be destroyed.
      I didn't really think about that.

      Let's say no, for the sake of a fair game.  What happens if they end up destroying all available access to the internet, your AI can't escape.

      Here's the problematic part though, even in case there is a way to get to the net seeing as how both are eventually human machines, they'd go fight in a secluded place far from civilization (like some empty spot in the Sahara or something). Destroying Apollo's body would be stupid, unless you behead him because his bodily engine is a sort of a nuke. (I think I mentioned that).

      So I'm guessing your unnamed AI wins or it's a stalemate.

      Man, I really want this versus thing to happen in the forum XD

      I agree. Now that I think about it, the artificial bodies my A.I made only had super strength and durability. Meanwhile, Apollo is on a whole different leauge in terms of physical power.

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    • Scarlet King is a deep lore character, he's scattered all over he site 231 just has the most info on him. God expended his power creating the universe in SCP and he never made the King, he willed himself into existence

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    • The Scarlet King is just a character that needs to be illogical to make sense, it needs the mary sue protective suit to survive. If we are being logical here, God "willed" himself into existence as well, and if another being could, why couldn't countless of them do it? They could. Going about saying "only he could", well sorry to letja know, that's making a character into a Mary Sue, which makes it suck.

      Reality wrapper or not, I came up with a character named Elizabeth Dietrichsditter, The Viennese Ghost. She is essentially the "agent of chaos" in this world, her limitations are not defined, while she may be a reality wrapper, she also may not be one. Here's her biggest weapon against anything that has a cognition is her ability to manipulate said cognition to a perfection. She can put anything under a perfect state of hypnosis.  No Mary Sue'ing around here.

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    • He's not really a Mary Sue, he's just a primal being, he makes up the lore. And yes God did will himself into existence, so did all the ther creator gods like Oden or Raa. Most of the SCP's where made by God, 682 was made by the King. Saying something is a Mary Sue because they are the ultimate power in their respective universe is kinda silly. Anu and Padomay from TES are omnipotent creator gods, they made the universe so omnipotence is a given. One could say that the King had the same power as God before God made the universe, the King just chose not to expend his power.

      The term Mary Sue can't be thrown around as much as people like, if the universe is built from the ground up then a Mary Sue isn't really commen from the creator. I've made my own universe with its own laws, Za'our'thog is the dragon God of rage and hellfire, he's a threat in my world but if I threw him into say Star Wars he'd be a Mary Sue because his laws apply in a different way. Star Wars have no divine weapons so they can't break Za'our'thogs scales. That and nothing has a divine blessing so his flames will burn anything in Star Wars with ease, however back in my universe there are divine and magically gifted people everywhere who can fight back.

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    • Sounds like you are fanboying a SCP here. I don't care how powerful the character is, if you go and say "He is GOD'S LEVEL" from the get-go, I won't like this character. It just seems like a cope out to avoid being creative in order to make the character impactful.

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    • Or like I said, he's a primal deitic evil. Ying and yang, gods opposite. I don't see any problem with having an omnipotent being. If you don't like powerful beings why does your character have no limits? She herself could be omnipotent without any limits. There are other beings in the SCP universe that are as strong if not stronger then God like Odin or Zeus. Again when a universe is built it needs an antagonist. The King was the antagonist created for SCP.

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    • Sounds like something an 8 year old made up to never lose in an imagonary fight.

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    • If that's what you think about the King I wonder what would happen if you knew about 40k or lovecraft…

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    • The 11th Legion wrote:
      If that's what you think about the King I wonder what would happen if you knew about 40k or lovecraft…

      Lovecraft never wanted his "deities" to be legit characters, he wanted them to be plot devices (like mentions and plot driving thingies)  40K, they have a sensemaking explanations to these things, like "X is so old and he was born with some unique ability that he expanded to godly level" not, "he created himself out of the blue on god level!!!1"

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    • But God created himself out of the blue at God level. The chaos gods also created themselves out of no where as omnipotent gods. They're existence is what sparked the war in heaven between the necrons and the old ones, after all there couldn't be war without Khorne. The lovecraftian dieties ARE actual characters not plot devices. In rats in the walls the protagonist out right says he saw Nyarlethotep standing above a mountain of skulls. Yog-Sothoth impregnated a young woman. Both of these books where written by lovecraft and not another author expanding upon the lore. Azathoth is far beyond god and he willed himself into existence as well. If you don't like the idea of something willing itself into existence you should probably stay away from most fiction.

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    • The 11th Legion wrote:
      But God created himself out of the blue at God level. The chaos gods also created themselves out of no where as omnipotent gods. They're existence is what sparked the war in heaven between the necrons and the old ones, after all there couldn't be war without Khorne. The lovecraftian dieties ARE actual characters not plot devices. In rats in the walls the protagonist out right says he saw Nyarlethotep standing above a mountain of skulls. Yog-Sothoth impregnated a young woman. Both of these books where written by lovecraft and not another author expanding upon the lore. Azathoth is far beyond god and he willed himself into existence as well. If you don't like the idea of something willing itself into existence you should probably stay away from most fiction.

      You mean in reality? well believers tend to percieve God as always existing. in fiction, ehh, relying upon Yahweh is hilarious.

      A character who only does things in mentions isn't exactly a character. and I'm not pretty sure "Azathoth willed himself into being"  just look at what mythologies do, they take an idea of a primordial universe forming where some sort of sentience is born naturally, even in Egyptian mythology they have this primordial deity who starts everything other than his own will. He never created its own will, just its form.

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    • Azathoth is a God that sleeps at the centre of infinity. Our " reality " is just his dream. He did indeed will himself into existence " he who forced his own existence… Azathoth the blind idiot God " whilst this quote wasn't from lovecraft's work it is still cannon to the universe. I believe the book was simply titled Azathoth, can't remember the author though, I'll get back to you on that one.

      God is the SCP universe however did indeed will himself into existence, he outright says it during his interview with dr.clef

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    • And yes God did will himself into existence in biblical texts. Song of Songs in the holy bible, check around the meanings of the songs

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    • The 11th Legion wrote:
      And yes God did will himself into existence in biblical texts. Song of Songs in the holy bible, check around the meanings of the songs

      A lot of what other authors did, did not sit well with Lovecraft's ideas, so. Also, I can read the bible in the original language, and I don't really know, but I guess SoS is a hymn, like a really long one. I was talking about the histographic (to the believers) mythological origins of stuff. Like Genesis, there it says he was floating above the premordial chaos. 

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    • What if zalgo and the scarlet king are the same they share traits and decriptions

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    • if it was going to be a collide between both cp and scp universes then there wouldn't be any creepy pastas like killers and shit because they all would be dead from the foundation etiher from 682 or in general any of the keter scp's there might be powerful god scale creepy pastas but in the scp universe its another day meeting those in general the story of the scarlet king is that he had seven children and they became his wives those children would give birth to seven universe ending creatures all being able to bring destruction to universes and even start some the scp universe uses religion and makes them a normal thing zalgo is a demon a powerful one but hes a demon and not able to do much to people the scarlet king however is an idea and if the two worlds collide he would already rain down destruction on the world the idea of them torturing his last wife is what keeps him away from us and he is the one who is always watching and waiting he created himself before everything there was the world tree and being were created some were good some were evil one of them were god who created all things good and then satan was one of his creations and tainted and was sent to earth after he was created and banished the scarlet king however was one of the creatures created and devouring all those who are even making himself the most powerful more so then god himself oen who is an offspring of the world tree directly is the same as god and god created everything else though god at first was just as strong as the scarlet king he became weaker because the scarlet king was consuming and took the power of those he devoured thus become more powerful then god if the worlds collided the bad ideas and thoughts would be unbalanced and the chaos in some cases would force the birth of the 7th child and the idea would be brought to life its hard to know if he just is doing it for amusement or just cant because he doesn't but because he thinks that his wife is going through pain and suffering he lets it go but now that she wouldn't be and would be dead because of the chaos he would arrive and just him being in the universe will end it he is stronger then his children which one is able to adapt in matter of seconds and destroy galaxies and all life at that matter being able to destroy the world tree and if he is more powerful then his son then there wouldn't be a fight because zalgo would technically because all things good and satan was made from god and those made from satan and god who are evil become demons instead of gods aren't as strong as one who is god status zalgo just wouldn't be able to go on the level of the scarlet king the idea and the scarlet king could kill him and each of his children not including scp 999 he is only a pacifist and would befriend zalgo ending his rain and bad ways.theres no question about it if his children can defeat zalgo alone then the scarlet king can.

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    • Icydice wrote:

      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      what can the Scarlet King do?

      Basically nothing as far as I know.

      the scarlet king is able to create his wives and able to destroy the world tree he has the power to end the world his rules and ideas he has just wont let him he can at anytime break his own rules but the has no reason to do so unless his wife dies or if his last son is birthed he has the power to end all life as we know it in the scp world he just doesn't need to he has powers of no bounds and each of his children individually can defeat zalgo his thoughts are able to do it if he thought of it

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    • O, Death kills everything.

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    • Icydice wrote:

      BloodySpghetti wrote:
      The 11th Legion wrote:
      Scarlet King is a high tier reality warper. Stands above God and other primal deities. Scarlet King is one of few SCP's with the Apollyon class making him a threat to the universe. Scarlet King plans to overthrow God and destroy creation. He was born under the tree of good and evil in the garden of Eden.
      The Scarlet King makes no sense being born in the universe of God and being stronger than him, considering how the Big G won't even let humans near him out of fear of them overthrowing him, let alone a reality wrapper.

      Not to mention I read the scp and found no mentions of this. The scp is just a woman giving birth to what could be the doomsday scenario and the scp people need to kill the baby. It's actually quite dark and brutal, so this whole matchup just seems like fanservice to face Zalgo against the king of what ifs.

      the scp isn't the baby the scp is the king himself which isn't a number the baby isn't something you can kill 682 and 999 aren't as powerful as the king but they aren't killable not even the scp who can grant wishes of anything said that there is nothing not even anything on earth can remove nor grant a wish like that so far as we know the only the ideas of him being born is keeping him away zalgo cannot kill anything unkillable and though he isn't physically manifested the baby that would be born doesn't need to live his his mother either dies or gives birth both can make him manifest the scp foundation cant stop it he can make himself at anytime he made laws that both him and god must follow and so he will not intrude of the creations of gods will though you may think that some are just able to do it alone by their will only a few did it because only some have the power like god and the scarlet king they have the power to do so because they are destined by the world tree he isn't part of gods creations thus making god have no power over him they are creations of the world tree and one has power because of him eating those the same power and adding to his own the world tree created god not the other way around he doesn't plan on destroying god he wants to be feared by his creations and just wants to make them fear him he was no need of overthrowing him he only made his wives there to cause havoc and his wives are in pain all the time and make others fear them and if they aren't feared and the ideas of them aren't cared for then one will be born making them forced to be feared just like how 682 is feared and one of the only reasons plus his rules are the reasons he isn't there now if his rules are broken by god then he will arrive or if there isn't enough fear it isn't the idea of him being god level that makes him so powerful its that the p beings he has eaten made his power infinite only because of his past made him powerful god level isn't really that powerful if you look at the world tree god is on the same level as odin and depends on the world tree while because he hates himself so much he will only let himself be created only when god has gone too far and tries to make a place with little fear and chaos he hates himself too much to manifest he wants to be gone unless he wants to god is waiting for the day he must fight against him and god must play by his rules because if he doesn't not just the thousands of the scarlet kings creations will not play by the foundations rules anymore and let them rain havoc he has another creature named the devourer he will come aswell so its a package deal you have the scarlet king and his wives which all have seals that seal away the children and keep the chains on the devourer in his seal his last seal will be broken once the child has been born so theres no way to stop one if the other Is there if you don't got the scarlet king then his oldest of his sons shall come the devourer and will as his name is shall devour he has been there since the start eating worlds and sealed away by humans because the scarlet king put himself into slumber because he had no need for fear at the time because nothing could fear him and let his creations rain havoc until the one day he comes to destroy the ones who let his last child be born hd lovecraft has a world where creatures make themselves and have levels of universes and be ruled over while the king only has rules that he made for god and if they are in place and let himself be feared then he simply wont bully him and destroy everything god worked hard to make god came from Italian beliefs and made himself without thought because nobody put enough thought at the time and if its correct and is going by how powerful each religion is by when they were made then it will have norse as most powerful having all other relgion coming from the world tree as odin did and they having the power to make other things as god did and it would make sense if all religions worked together to make the world and the scarlet king would be the one who is watching and making himself powerful everyday by eating the ones like satan before they are made god level is small his basically a human being able to create things and make life that takes time to grow and the scarlet king is a bully he sees things growing and makes other people be put down because of their time and life they put into something and he comes to destroy it for his own selfish needs he was never god level he was just as powerful as god as they came from the same place it took time and eating others that made him so powerful beings like him are why there are evil god level is small world tree level is a whole new playing ground god was made by the world tree it be kinda dumb to think that god made everything including the other gods and relgions it makes sense if all religion gods came from the world tree since they are older don't give him too much credit try all would have a hand in creating the world all scp's if you think about it would be created by the king because all things good were created by god so all things evil should be created from the ultimate evil who cant even stand himself but back to zalgo zalgo is a demon who is under satans legion and is also a kina powerful one but not as powerful as satan since he was the first a creepy pasta who is more powerful then satan just isn't believable because religion which is the most believed fiction would be more believeable and more powerful then the small idea of a creepy pasta like the idea of math nobody thinks 2 plus 2 is five because its not normal and isn't mainstream and not believed outside of the internet while religion is satan zalgo cant be more powerful then someone who has more followers them him and has more power believer wise so he would be below the power of satan and god created satan and if one has the power of creating satan another who can create satan can destroy him god cant do it because its not a pacifist thing to do but the scarlet king will he has more power then god can have because god is a pacifist and only has the power to create the universe and had no need to grow in power so we could say he can the same power the whole time because he wouldn't need to you wouldn't need to buy weapons if you were against fighting so god wouldn't and scarlet king took his time while god was creating his world he took power from those to had powers of the other things that were made form the tree and once the tree stopped making gods who were evil so did the king stop growing power and at the end realized he wasn't happy with the power and put himself to sleep so he didn't need to bear the idea of his existance hes asleep but only until the time god has his creations too independent and growing too fast he will destroy them all and make god start over god cannot stop him so he doesn't break his rules for him to come hes like azaroth instead he forces himself to wake and that's all really hes the strongest being out of all religion based on story so suck my balls im playing rainbow six siege now that's all

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    • The 11th Legion wrote:
      He's not really a Mary Sue, he's just a primal being, he makes up the lore. And yes God did will himself into existence, so did all the ther creator gods like Oden or Raa. Most of the SCP's where made by God, 682 was made by the King. Saying something is a Mary Sue because they are the ultimate power in their respective universe is kinda silly. Anu and Padomay from TES are omnipotent creator gods, they made the universe so omnipotence is a given. One could say that the King had the same power as God before God made the universe, the King just chose not to expend his power.

      The term Mary Sue can't be thrown around as much as people like, if the universe is built from the ground up then a Mary Sue isn't really commen from the creator. I've made my own universe with its own laws, Za'our'thog is the dragon God of rage and hellfire, he's a threat in my world but if I threw him into say Star Wars he'd be a Mary Sue because his laws apply in a different way. Star Wars have no divine weapons so they can't break Za'our'thogs scales. That and nothing has a divine blessing so his flames will burn anything in Star Wars with ease, however back in my universe there are divine and magically gifted people everywhere who can fight back.

      Star Wars does have an divine weapon and blessing, it's called the force

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    • What if Zalgo is The Scarlet King?!

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    • ThirsSilver wrote: What if Zalgo is The Scarlet King?!

      The Scarlet King does share some characteristics with the Nezperidian Hivemind, I really wouldn't put it past him to do so. It would make him into a much more better bigger bad, instead of the castrated mess Creepypasta made him out to be. And, truth be told, even if they were seperate beings, why would they fight? It's like Lucifer of Christianity fighting against Ahriman of Zorostrianism. They're both evil, they both want to snuff out the light. Might as well work together. As long as SCP-999 is far away, Scarlet King will be safe.

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