FANDOM


  • This is a continuation of this thread because it was going off topic.

    ArmadillooftheAges wrote:.

    Describing it as an art form that's evolving, to me, is looking at it in a more positive way.

    I personally feel that calling it an evolving art form is pretty much admitting that it isn't what it used to be, and straying more and more as time goes on.

    ArmadillooftheAges wrote:

    That's not necessarily a bad thing, but for old folks like Ned, Skelly, and myself, it kind of kills what we originally loved about them. If you ask me, Creepypasta moving from user-generated text stories on /x/ in the mid-to-late 2000s to Hollywood movies with million-dollar budgets is not really "evolving"; it's more like falling into the hands of corporate executives who want to make a quick buck. So I guess "popularity" would be a better word than evolving.

    I agree. To those of us who were around during its earliest years Creepypasta bares very little resemblance to what made us fall in love with it. As you said we went from internet urban legends to corporation.

    ArmadillooftheAges wrote:. 

    I suppose there exists an argument that, yeah, it's evolving because nowadays most pastas aren't so shoddily-written and tend to have more developed plots and characters. I guess if you want to consider that evolving then that's fine, but when I read Pastas back in the day, it wasn't so much to read an intricate piece of horror literature or like something I'd read in an actual novel. It was to read something cheap, short, and crude but really fun.


    I'm going to pretty much repeat you here and say this.

    I think this is where the problem lies. In a few short years we went from crudely written short stories to near novel quality stories with more detail than necessary. What was so great about Creepypasta was that most of them were short enough to finish reading within a few minutes, they went straight to the point, and their crudely written first hand account gave them a sense of realism.

    To those of us who were around during its early years Creepypasta doesn't resemble what it used to. At this point it is better to just stick to reading horror novels.

      Loading editor
    • If you really want to see the old style, there are many actionable ways you can go about it. 

      You can write some. Sure, some of the Quality Standards will prevent the second coming of the "Insert Cartoon Character" Kills Himself, or "haunted video games found at garage sales with labels missing and name written in black Sharpie" tropes that ran wild back in the day, and yes, the bank of readers here will probably question how the main character in that first person written story died at the end but was still able to post his harrowing final words online. The "You're Next" ending directed at the reader will probably generate more eye-rolls than shivers now, because authors have come and raised the bar. 

      Those orignal stories that made internet fiction pop and brought it so much attention, the Dead Barts and the Drowning Bens, will always be held in the hallowed halls of the classics. And they deserve that. 

      But here's what you seem to glossing over a bit in these types of blogs. The very authors that created those legendary online frights have moved on themselves. They either continued to advance their skills as writers began to take on more ambitious projects, or they accomplished what they wanted and were happy with it as it was, not feeling the need to continue writing in that style.

      The Creepypasta Wiki's library of stories comes from indie-authors who either love to write simply for the craft, or are building their portfolio while receiving feedback and improvement in real-time. No one here gets paid to write stories on the Creepypasta Wiki. Most of the stories here are passion projects, with some exceptions when the authors are able to take their works to the next level. No one is writing online for free to fill anyone's specific want for content style. If you want that, commission it from someone. I'm sure there are writers out there who would take a paid gig to jam out a short story to fit your specifications. 

      But, the best thing I could suggest is what I said way up top. Write some yourself. If the Quality Standards here get in the way of what you want to create, go to any of the other fiction platforms online that don't really have QS in place. You might be able to post the stories themselves here, but a link on your user profile would be fine, which sort of serves the same function as linking your stories on your profile that are posted here anyway. It's all a mouse-click at the end of the day.

      Or think a little bigger. Propose a writing challenge to Cleric of Madness with the theme being "Classic Creepypastas." Maybe for a competition purpose, some blacklisted tropes could be permitted just once. Hell, I'd support that idea. The authors here might like the chance to try their hands at some of the original concepts, since a lot of them (myself included) showed up after the QS banned a lot of the overused cliches.

      Because otherwise what you're doing here with these sorts of blogs is telling unpaid writers who create for the love of writing and the enjoyment of reading that they aren't meeting your personal taste in online horror stuff, which can come across a little rude. I'm not saying that's your intent, but it can easily be the perception of others.

      If you want to avoid the "corporate" end of things, start your own website. Because of course Fandom is a corporation. It provides a platform for all this stuff, free to the public, with users constantly demanding more of this or less of that or better whatever, so yeah, you're going to be limited on these sorts of platforms far more than you would with your own domain.

      Anyway, that's my two pennies. While I'm sure that there are always ways to improve things, I can tell you this, (I'm going to sound like an old bastard here, but) when I was trying to become a writer back in the late 90's, there were no such resources like this. No place to build a resume or portfolio, to learn, grow and develop. To gain notoriety, network and promote. You were stuck with mailing printed manuscripts to strangers hoping for some sort of opportunity. You were stuck trying to afford editors or agents with nothing but a hope that you'd succeed and not go broke trying.

      The life of an indie-author is still a brutal road, but it's a lot more paved than it used to be. So if you see a pothole, focus on filling it instead of just waiting for someone else to do it.

        Loading editor
    • Banningk1979 wrote:

      But, the best thing I could suggest is what I said way up top. Write some yourself.

      I do thank you for the suggestion, but I was raised on the old saying "Time is money". I really don't see any point in doing anything I can make money off of. Sure I do stuff here, but those are during my breaks and honestly it takes less to review a story than it does to write one.

        Loading editor
    • Banning pretty much said what I have to say but I will chime in with two things. 1) I'm always open to interesting contest ideas and 2) I will write just about anything for money if you ever want to commission a nostalgic piece.

      However what really, in my opinion, made the original Creepypasta scary was that tinge of realism they had either from their anonymous posting or from the fact that these events could have actually happened. Just look at Ben Drowned. Not only was it one of if not the first multimedia pastas, it was presented in a way that offered a sense of realism which I find adds to the fear factor greatly. Stuff like Please Wake Up or the other early urban legend-style stories were some of the best for the fact that they inspired fear based on the possibility that they could have happened.

        Loading editor
    • Might as well repost this reply from the previous thread, since it's more in line with the topic of this one.


      ArmadillooftheAges wrote:

      LOLSKELETONS wrote:

      ArmadillooftheAges wrote:
      [...] but for old folks like Ned, Skelly, and myself, it kind of kills what we originally loved about them.

      Don't get me wrong, I still love reading newer pastas, but I do miss that "vibe" of older 4chan-influenced pastas that emphasized anonymity and actually read like honest-to-god urban legends. In my mind, that's what set creepypasta apart from general horror fiction - well, that and the amateurish quality often on display.

      My bad. I could've sworn you said you weren't a fan of the newer standards and all that stuff. Yeah, Those qualities are what made the old Pastas so good. 

      I believe all I said was that this wiki has been "creepypasta" in name only for a very long time. In fact, I've thought that since around 2013, before the current standards were even solidified. An older admin, Mr.Zalgopasta, once suggested that we rename this place to "Horror Writing Wiki" or something along those lines, and to this day I agree with him. Not about literally changing the name (that'd be stupid), but with the general sentiment behind the statement.

      No longer is this site a repository for actual creepypasta; those died at the beginning of the decade, anyway, and we have Historical Archive for those. Now, this wiki is largely a place for amateur horror writers to practice their craft. Whether this is a good or bad change depends on what you're looking for in this wiki, but I'd say it was kind of an inevitable change.

        Loading editor
    • I do want to say for the record that I did not make this thread to complain. As I said, this started in another thread which caused it to go off topic. I started it so people could talk about it here as not to derail that other thread.

        Loading editor
    • NedWolfkin wrote:
      I do want to say for the record that I did not make this thread to complain. As I said, this started in another thread which caused it to go off topic. I started it so people could talk about it here as not to derail that other thread.

      To be fair, we had this whole discussion last month, and I don't think anyone's going to cry about a Jeff the Killer thread getting slightly derailed.

        Loading editor
    • LOLSKELETONS wrote:

      NedWolfkin wrote:
      I do want to say for the record that I did not make this thread to complain. As I said, this started in another thread which caused it to go off topic. I started it so people could talk about it here as not to derail that other thread.

      To be fair, we had this whole discussion last month, and I don't think anyone's going to cry about a Jeff the Killer thread getting slightly derailed.

      Good point. Still you never know when someone is going to say something, so I'm just trying to play it safe.

        Loading editor
    • A FANDOM user
        Loading editor
Give Kudos to this message
You've given this message Kudos!
See who gave Kudos to this message
Community content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise noted.