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  • EmpyrealInvective
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    Everyone's said what they wanted to say and at this point, it's just devolving into drama.
    13:17, April 14, 2020

    To me it seems that this wiki is run by a bunch of elitist assholes who don't like other people telling their own stories. They just care about their own stories. Which honestly, is pretty fucked up if you ask me. But who the fuck am I to judge right? I'm just a plebeian writer who tried his damnedest to write a good creepypasta.

    Who the fuck cares what I have to say or contribute? As long as the moderators get to jack themselves off and judge other people's stories, everything will seem alright to them.

    -Lohse Altai

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    • I'm sorry you're angry, but your story had no horror elements and should not be featured on this site as it's a site dedicated to horror literature. I told you as much on your talk page. It was just a re-telling of your experiences with your abusive father. Two people told you that in the comments of the story itself (not moderators by the way) as well.

      Here's the definition of creepypasta: "Creepypasta are essentially internet horror stories, passed around on forums and other sites to disturb and frighten readers." Your story was not a horror story, it came across more as a re-counting of traumatic childhood experiences. If you want to write something auto-biographical dealing with your struggle, that's fine, but this site is not the place for it.

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    • I personally am empathetic to your personal struggles. But I do think there's a balance to be struck between fiction, reality and horror. I think you wanted to write a vent piece (which is fine), and tried to stick on the horror elements by embellishing details here and there, but it falls apart in terms of being accessible as a horror piece. This is reflected in your original statement, that it is based on personal happenings and you just wanted to get it off your chest, but then you go on to clarify it was intended to be a creepypasta which inverts how it's supposed to be interpreted.

      I definitely think this could've stayed up with an overall better execution. As a story it wasn't terrible. But as a piece of horror fiction I don't think it worked very well. It's a difficult series of choices staff makes on behalf of the site to ensure people can post what they want while also having it fit within the definition of 'horror literature'.

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    • Throw in "then my face turned to a skull face and now I'm Kyle the Killer" and then it'll be horror. </s>

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    • Maybe they're "elitist assholes" because people keep coming on here and calling them names?

      Jokes aside, having a traumatic past is no excuse for coming on here and calling people names, which you had not only done here but also on the original page when someone had mentioned that tragedy does not equal horror.

      I'm not sure if I speak for everyone when I say this, but I find it hard to sympathize with you since you are choosing to attack people and talk down to anyone who tells you that your story had no horror in it.

      As (I think it was) William See said on the original page, this is a horror literature site, if you need someone to vent to, do it to a psychiatrist.

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    • NedWolfkin wrote:
      Maybe they're "elitist assholes" because people keep coming on here and calling them names?

      Jokes aside, having a traumatic past is no excuse for coming on here and calling people names, which you had not only done here but also on the original page when someone had mentioned that tragedy does not equal horror.

      I'm not sure if I speak for everyone when I say this, but I find it hard to sympathize with you since you are choosing to attack people and talk down to anyone who tells you that your story had no horror in it.

      As (I think it was) William See said on the original page, this is a horror literature site, if you need someone to vent to, do it to a psychiatrist.

      I don't recall specifically saying the latter, but it is a wise sentiment. Although writing is a good form of catharsis too, I'm just not entirely sure the original work meshed well with the way the site works.

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    • William See wrote:

      I don't recall specifically saying the latter, but it is a wise sentiment. Although writing is a good form of catharsis too, I'm just not entirely sure the original work meshed well with the way the site works.

      Sorry for misattributing it to you then. I know somebody said it, though.

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    • I'm completely with you, and I feel your pain. I've always had a deep dislike of moderators of any kind.

      Problem is, the community of this site is anemic at best, so moderator influence is more exaggerated than a site with a healthy communtiy. I don't have the statistics, but it seems a vast majority of stories posted on this site are deleted within minutes. This is tremendously discouraging for aspiring writers. I would even argue it's poisonous.


      I'm a big softy, so it breaks my heart whenever I see someone pour their soul into a piece of work only to have it unceremoniously ripped from the site. Do you think these inexperienced young writers feel encouraged to continue their writing journey after such a blow to their morale? I doubt it.

      It's not so much the moderators' fault, but the site itself is fatally flawed. The Wiki format does not lend itself well to its purpose.

      My message to you would be to keep writing and don't let this discourage you.

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    • Glisario wrote:
      I'm completely with you, and I feel your pain. I've always had a deep dislike of moderators of any kind.

      Problem is, the community of this site is anemic at best, so moderator influence is more exaggerated than a site with a healthy communtiy. I don't have the statistics, but it seems a vast majority of stories posted on this site are deleted within minutes. This is tremendously discouraging for aspiring writers. I would even argue it's poisonous.


      I'm a big softy, so it breaks my heart whenever I see someone pour their soul into a piece of work only to have it unceremoniously ripped from the site. Do you think these inexperienced young writers feel encouraged to continue their writing journey after such a blow to their morale? I doubt it.

      It's not so much the moderators' fault, but the site itself is fatally flawed. The Wiki format does not lend itself well to its purpose.

      My message to you would be to keep writing and don't let this discourage you.

      I don't want to seem like I'm harping on you specifically but I feel it's missing the point to say most stories are deleted while ignoring the context behind that. Many stories are deleted on the daily due to the lack of fundamental understanding of some integral things like grammar, and majority of them aren't outliers that just so happen to fall under this grey area like the one we're discussing (where they aren't mechanically/structurally flawed and just have awkward execution). Most have not much effort put into them. And at the very least, we do offer critiques, workshopping and such so that people can improve.

      Consider it a byproduct of an era when pastas were just posted willy nilly and we had fifty versions of Jeff wandering around. Its kind of silly and archaic but theres a pretty valid reason for it, in my eyes anyway. You're right on that part, it's the way the wiki is set up and unfortunately scrutinized by mainstream culture that affects the guidelines.

      I mean hell, just look at site activity as soon as the rules around Lost Episodes were revised. Everybody that had their copy of 'Spongebob goes to heck' started uploading while ignoring that you had to do things like capitalize sentences. 

      Overall this is part of a larger discussion that'll require a LOT of input to find a balance with. Who knows, maybe QS will change where deletions stop being a thing but reviews have to be mandatorily (dunno if thats a word) given out per upload if the story is to stay up. Step in the right direction maybe.

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    • William See wrote:
      I don't want to seem like I'm harping on you specifically

      Not at all, I've come to expect a response from you every time I post a message. I'd be insulted if you didn't.

      Also, I'll have you know that MY "Spongebob goes to heck" story is going to change the way we look at lost episode pastas forever.

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    • The administrators don't delete stories just to piss people off, they always have a good reason for doing so.

      This site needs to have quality standards, otherwise it will suffer the fate of all the other Creepypasta websites which have stories that are low effort, rip offs, poorly spelled, OC vehicles, retellings, and worst of all, not scary at all. Most of the stories that get deleted fit this criteria. Hardly a day goes by without a SpongeBob pasta or an OC vehicle being posted and subsequently deleted. Barely anyone visits those other Creepypasta websites because they allow low effort garbage that no one wants to read.

      If these inexperienced authors get angry and give up whenever their stories get deleted, they probably won't be able to handle the criticism that every story is subjected to. They have the option of either keep trying or giving up, that's up to them.

      Administrators are like police. A lot of people like to think that the whole world would be better without them, but really everything would be a whole lot worse. This site's staff isn't even anywhere near as bad as the admins of some of the other Creepypasta Wikis I've seen, either.

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    • Glisario wrote:

      William See wrote:
      I don't want to seem like I'm harping on you specifically

      Not at all, I've come to expect a response from you every time I post a message. I'd be insulted if you didn't.

      Also, I'll have you know that MY "Spongebob goes to heck" story is going to change the way we look at lost episode pastas forever.

      Haha. Well, it's a good use of time to actually get some responses so I guess we're doing something right.

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    • William See wrote:

      NedWolfkin wrote:
      Maybe they're "elitist assholes" because people keep coming on here and calling them names?

      Jokes aside, having a traumatic past is no excuse for coming on here and calling people names, which you had not only done here but also on the original page when someone had mentioned that tragedy does not equal horror.

      I'm not sure if I speak for everyone when I say this, but I find it hard to sympathize with you since you are choosing to attack people and talk down to anyone who tells you that your story had no horror in it.

      As (I think it was) William See said on the original page, this is a horror literature site, if you need someone to vent to, do it to a psychiatrist.

      I don't recall specifically saying the latter, but it is a wise sentiment. Although writing is a good form of catharsis too, I'm just not entirely sure the original work meshed well with the way the site works.

      I believe I was the one who made the comment about seeing a therapist/psychiatrist, just to clear things up.

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    • Cornconic wrote:

      I believe I was the one who made the comment about seeing a therapist/psychiatrist, just to clear things up.

      Ah, ok. Sorry for the mix-up.

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    • NedWolfkin wrote:

      Cornconic wrote:

      I believe I was the one who made the comment about seeing a therapist/psychiatrist, just to clear things up.

      Ah, ok. Sorry for the mix-up.

      It's fine. I wholeheartedly agree with you in terms of the deleted pasta, btw. I think it's hilarious that if you go on LohseAltai6359's profile, they claim to be a 'veteran of the [horror] genre', and 'like pastas that have actual effort put into them', yet whinge and complain when their self-insert parental abuse sob story gets deleted.

      Also, can you tell me what their comment was on the Man That You Fear page? I got an email showing me the first sentence they had written in response to what I assume was what I wrote, but I can't see the rest of their comment since the page got deleted. It started off with "I guess I should have excepted as much.", but that was all I saw.

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    • Looking at that profile all I can say is "wow".

      And I actually really didn't directly read the comments, just what was shown in the site's recent activities. I'm not sure if this is the same one or not, but I know they left a comment where they were accusing the person they were replying to of being unsympathetic and picking on them, and I think they said something insulting. Since this was a few days ago I can't really remember it all that well. Sorry I couldn't be of more help here. If you're curious, you could always ask an administrator.

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    • NedWolfkin wrote: Looking at that profile all I can say is "wow".

      And I actually really didn't directly read the comments, just what was shown in the site's recent activities. I'm not sure if this is the same one or not, but I know they left a comment where they were accusing the person they were replying to of being unsympathetic and picking on them, and I think they said something insulting. Since this was a few days ago I can't really remember it all that well. Sorry I couldn't be of more help here. If you're curious, you could always ask an administrator.

      Thanks for the info. I'll ask our friend Empy if there's any way I can see what they wrote.

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    • Cornconic wrote:

      NedWolfkin wrote: Looking at that profile all I can say is "wow".

      And I actually really didn't directly read the comments, just what was shown in the site's recent activities. I'm not sure if this is the same one or not, but I know they left a comment where they were accusing the person they were replying to of being unsympathetic and picking on them, and I think they said something insulting. Since this was a few days ago I can't really remember it all that well. Sorry I couldn't be of more help here. If you're curious, you could always ask an administrator.

      Thanks for the info. I'll ask our friend Empy if there's any way I can see what they wrote.

      It was accusing a commenter of being insensitive towards their story, which seems to be misunderstood as the point was made not towards the events the story was based on, but just the story itself, as it was presented to the wiki.

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    • RedNovaTyrant wrote:

      Cornconic wrote:

      NedWolfkin wrote: Looking at that profile all I can say is "wow".

      And I actually really didn't directly read the comments, just what was shown in the site's recent activities. I'm not sure if this is the same one or not, but I know they left a comment where they were accusing the person they were replying to of being unsympathetic and picking on them, and I think they said something insulting. Since this was a few days ago I can't really remember it all that well. Sorry I couldn't be of more help here. If you're curious, you could always ask an administrator.

      Thanks for the info. I'll ask our friend Empy if there's any way I can see what they wrote.

      It was accusing a commenter of being insensitive towards their story, which seems to be misunderstood as the point was made not towards the events the story was based on, but just the story itself, as it was presented to the wiki.

      Combined with Nedwolfkin's insight, that's enough info to quench my curiosity. In truth, it could've also been directed towards Jdeschene, I know that they left a comment on the page too.

      LohseAltai6359, if you're still reading these replies, I would advise you to take some time to reflect on your writing style, and in future, refrain from being so rude.

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    • Cornconic wrote:

      It's fine. I wholeheartedly agree with you in terms of the deleted pasta, btw. I think it's hilarious that if you go on LohseAltai6359's profile, they claim to be a 'veteran of the [horror] genre', and 'like pastas that have actual effort put into them', yet whinge and complain when their self-insert parental abuse sob story gets deleted.

      I've been holding off on adding my two cents up until now.  I have to say, Cornconic, that your approach here is inflammatory and unhelpful and the surest way to get your point ignored.

      LohseAltai6359, if you're still reading, it's clear that there is a lot going on here, both above and below the surface. There may have been times in the past when you didn't have choices, but you do right now in this situation. The choices you've made during your time on wiki have not been getting you positive results. This is a pattern you have to see. Now you have another choice to make: you can take this experience and learn from it, look for the legitimate points people have made, understand that they are not personal and certainly aren't unique to this situation. You can use what you learn from this to grow stronger within yourself and as a creator. Or you can decide that you're being picked on and there's nothing you can do about it, so you might as well lash out and then disappear from the wiki.

      The choice is yours. Consider this opportunity a gift.

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    • Jdeschene wrote:

      I've been holding off on adding my two cents up until now.  I have to say, Cornconic, that your approach here is inflammatory and unhelpful and the surest way to get your point ignored.

      I couldn't care less about my point being ignored. You get back what you put in. If they want to ignore what I've said, that's fine by me, but they should be able to understand it will only hinder them both as a person and a writer. It's perfectly ok if you want to take a gentler approach to this, Jdeschene, but don't accuse me of being 'inflammatory and unhelpful' when I'm simply treating LohseAltai6359 with the same level of respect that they treated us with when we were the ones that were trying to help them in the first place.

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    • Cornconic wrote:

      ...don't accuse me of being 'inflammatory and unhelpful' when I'm simply treating LohseAltai6359 with the same level of respect that they treated us with....

      Those things are not mutually exclusive.

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    • Cornconic wrote:

      NedWolfkin wrote:

      Cornconic wrote:

      I believe I was the one who made the comment about seeing a therapist/psychiatrist, just to clear things up.

      Ah, ok. Sorry for the mix-up.

      It's fine. I wholeheartedly agree with you in terms of the deleted pasta, btw. I think it's hilarious that if you go on LohseAltai6359's profile, they claim to be a 'veteran of the [horror] genre', and 'like pastas that have actual effort put into them', yet whinge and complain when their self-insert parental abuse sob story gets deleted.

      Also, can you tell me what their comment was on the Man That You Fear page? I got an email showing me the first sentence they had written in response to what I assume was what I wrote, but I can't see the rest of their comment since the page got deleted. It started off with "I guess I should have excepted as much.", but that was all I saw.

      I honestly want you to realize that calling my experiences with my abusive father a "Self-Insert Parental Abuse Sob-Story" is honest to God very offensive. You really shouldn't fucking do that. I'm sorry that I was angry and depressed when my story was deleted, but at the time when I realized that the story was being taken down it felt like you guys were invalidating my experiences.

      So fucking sorry I had flashbacks while writing it. Yeah so fucking sorry.

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